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I really do not know just how many times I have heard it: "General Soleimani was a bad actor--but..."

Then the speaker (or writer) goes on to say it was a severe violation of international punctilio to have killed this man.

One quickly thinks of the old saying: "'But' is a word that essentially means: Forget everything that I have said up to this point; here comes the real scoop."
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if we are not at war with a country we do not specifically target their regular army. maybe terrorist cells yes. this guy as I understand it fought isis along side us though he was instrumental in training other organizations. Also we killed him in iraq w/o permission or heads up when we are not at war w iraq either.
factor in the diplomacy of assassinating a high profile (for them) politician during unrest in iran. there were demonstrations in iran against the government. now the citizens are pretty much aligned on anti americanism due to this fuggup.
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I really do not know just how many times I have heard it: "General Soleimani was a bad actor--but..."

Then the speaker (or writer) goes on to say it was a severe violation of international punctilio to have killed this man.

One quickly thinks of the old saying: "'But' is a word that essentially means: Forget everything that I have said up to this point; here comes the real scoop."
Since the tRump administration has earned our trust....uhh...not. Since we can't beileve a word that this admin says about anything, and given all the news that's come out so far, its blatantly obvious that tRUmp ordered this strike because he thought it would help him politically. That of course failed, because...duh....nobody believes a word anyone in this white house says.

yes, this iranian was a bad guy, but lets not pretend that tRUmp has any idea what he's doing. the man can barely slur his way through a speech and refuses to read anything his advisors give to him. Lets not act like we're dealing with a rational President now who isn't mentally damaged from years of drug use, the only thing tRUmp is thinking about is how he can stay out of prison by not loosing the next election.
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this guy as I understand it fought isis along side us ...
We also fought alongside Stalin in WWII--once we decided we needed his help in the Eastern Front, in order to defeat Nazi Germany--but that hardly makes this murderer of 20,000,000 a good guy.

Anyway, your reply really does not address the central question, viz.: Just why do we so often hear the easy cop-out: "General Soleimani was a truly bad actor--but..."
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We also fought alongside Stalin in WWII--once we decided we needed his help in the Eastern Front, in order to defeat Nazi Germany--but that hardly makes this murderer of 20,000,000 a good guy.

Anyway, your reply really does not address the central question, viz.: Just why do we so often hear the easy cop-out: "General Soleimani was a truly bad actor--but..."
You'll most likely have to wait for someone in the MSM to answer that question for her.
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You'll most likely have to wait for someone in the MSM to answer that question for her.
No reasonable person is shedding a tear for Soliemani or Iran, as you suggest. Rather, we question whether this unwell, self-serving president used good judgment and obeyed the law in launching an escalatory act of war that appears to have increased threats to America. The reality is that tRUmp didn't do this to protect American National Security, he did it to protect himself. You really need to keep up with current events.

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Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate.
https://www.motherjones.com/impeachm...achment-fears/




by the way, lets not forget tRUmps own personal business dealings with Soleimani.....Like, for example, the real estate deal he did in 2012 with him. (While he was sanctioned by the US government By the way.)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8861736.html

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In 2008, Mr Mammadov awarded a series of multimillion-pound contracts to Azarpassillo, an Iranian construction firm allegedly controlled by the IRGC as part of a larger scheme to export money from Iran in order to fund terror and other activities abroad.
but hey, tRUmp always uses someone else to commit his crimes for him right?

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Mr Trump, in fact, was reportedly only lightly involved in the project, which was spearheaded by his oldest daughter, Ivanka.
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No reasonable person is shedding a tear for Soliemani or Iran, as you suggest. Rather, we question whether this unwell, self-serving president used good judgment and obeyed the law in launching an escalatory act of war that appears to have increased threats to America. The reality is that tRUmp didn't do this to protect American National Security, he did it to protect himself. You really need to keep up with current events.



https://www.motherjones.com/impeachm...achment-fears/




by the way, lets not forget tRUmps own personal business dealings with Soleimani.....Like, for example, the real estate deal he did in 2012 with him. (While he was sanctioned by the US government By the way.)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8861736.html



but hey, tRUmp always uses someone else to commit his crimes for him right?
The reality is the Mother Jones article you linked resorts to the hate Trump media's favorite escape hatch "if true" buried in the last paragraph of course. But just like "Russian collusion" Resistance drones repeat the rumor as fact.

Once again we see the unproven allegation mixed with an self declared infallible interpretation of President Trump's base motivation mixed together into a toxic brew. Any hesitation to enthusiastically endorse this latest Resistance propaganda is evidence of a Trump cult membership.
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We also fought alongside Stalin in WWII--once we decided we needed his help in the Eastern Front, in order to defeat Nazi Germany--but that hardly makes this murderer of 20,000,000 a good guy.

Anyway, your reply really does not address the central question, viz.: Just why do we so often hear the easy cop-out: "General Soleimani was a truly bad actor--but..."
nobody is saying he's a good guy, just that we were trying to make peace also have a good relationship w iraq.
there was no reason for this.
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No reasonable person is shedding a tear for Soliemani or Iran, as you suggest.
With that post, I suggested nothing of the sort. I was suggesting that Salty would have to wait to hear from the MSM to come up with a response to his query. Obviously that hasn't happened yet.

But while you are on the topic of "reasonable persons", I would suggest that they are in short supply on the Democratic side of the aisle.

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Rather, we question whether this unwell, self-serving president used good judgment and obeyed the law in launching an escalatory act of war that appears to have increased threats to America. The reality is that tRUmp didn't do this to protect American National Security, he did it to protect himself. You really need to keep up with current events.


https://www.motherjones.com/impeachm...achment-fears/
Perhaps then you could enlighten us to the real reason for Trump to authorize the killing of one of the worst people on the planet. Personally, I don't care if the guy had his finger on the button to launch missiles at Wash DC, or if he was making plans to retire to the South Pacific, he was guilty of so many atrocities and had the capability to commit even more. So his death was not only convenient, it was welcomed not only by honest patriots but even by many in his home country. For that I say "Great Job"!

The only question I have is why didn't Bush or Obama take out that trash when they had the chance? One can only speculate but I believe that Bush figured it would bring Iran in the conflict and Obama was too busy trying to make new Facebook friends with the Iran leaders.


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by the way, lets not forget tRUmps own personal business dealings with Soleimani.....Like, for example, the real estate deal he did in 2012 with him. (While he was sanctioned by the US government By the way.)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8861736.html



but hey, tRUmp always uses someone else to commit his crimes for him right?
2012? I don't remember Trump holding any elected office at that time. Try again.
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nobody is saying he's a good guy, just that we were trying to make peace also have a good relationship w iraq.
there was no reason for this.
Iran has been at war with the United States for the last 40 years, there is no making nice with them until they realize that we are not going to subjugate out values to theirs. All of the fairy tales and rainbows promised by the Obama administration were just seen as weakness by Iran. To think otherwise is just to ignore reality.
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