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Matt Bevin--the outgoing governor of Kentucky, and a Republican--just pardoned about 400 people.

Some of these pardons were highly controversial (to say the least).

But that is really not what I wish to focus upon.

Rather, it is this:

If the man truly believes that these people were railroaded--either through the use of ineffective counsel, or the exclusion of certain evidence, or anything else--then why did he not pardon them sooner?

This suggests to me that he was unwilling to stir up a hornet's nest when that would likely cause him some political trouble.

No, he would rather just let these people--whom he has long believed to be innocent--sit in prison for a few extra years.

Does anyone else see something smarmy--and cowardly--about this?

Note: This is not at all a partisan thing. Outgoing Democrats--as well as outgoing Republicans--often tend to do this.

But the frequency of the practice does not make it any better.
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Matt Bevin--the outgoing governor of Kentucky, and a Republican--just pardoned about 400 people.

Some of these pardons were highly controversial (to say the least).

But that is really not what I wish to focus upon.

Rather, it is this:

If the man truly believes that these people were railroaded--either through the use of ineffective counsel, or the exclusion of certain evidence, or anything else--then why did he not pardon them sooner?

This suggests to me that he was unwilling to stir up a hornet's nest when that would likely cause him some political trouble.

No, he would rather just let these people--whom he has long believed to be innocent--sit in prison for a few extra years.

Does anyone else see something smarmy--and cowardly--about this?

Note: This is not at all a partisan thing. Outgoing Democrats--as well as outgoing Republicans--often tend to do this.

But the frequency of the practice does not make it any better.
If some of them are as questionable as you say. then he might be doing a favor/ favors for some other reason than partisan politics.
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Most pardons are not done due to the facts of the case...They are due to political favors and greased palms...

Out of the 400 pardons this governor proclaimed, I doubt he knew of the story behind 250 of them (at least)….I'd surmise they were due to people that were owed political favors and the returnage of back-scratching...
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If some of them are as questionable as you say. then he might be doing a favor/ favors for some other reason than partisan politics.
They were rather "questionable"--to phrase it as charitably as possible.

CNN Politics says the following:

"That list of pardons includes Blake Walker, who was convicted in 2003 of killing his parents; Kurt Smith, who as a teenager was found guilty of murdering his 6-week old son; Delmar Partin, who was convicted of beheading a woman and stuffing her in a barrel; and Kathy Ann Harless, who left her newborn baby to die in an outhouse."

And if Bevin truly believes these people to have been innocent, then he ought to have pardoned them much sooner--and not just let them rot in prison, for a few extra years, until it was more convenient to issue pardons.
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They were rather "questionable"--to phrase it as charitably as possible.

CNN Politics says the following:

"That list of pardons includes Blake Walker, who was convicted in 2003 of killing his parents; Kurt Smith, who as a teenager was found guilty of murdering his 6-week old son; Delmar Partin, who was convicted of beheading a woman and stuffing her in a barrel; and Kathy Ann Harless, who left her newborn baby to die in an outhouse."

And if Bevin truly believes these people to have been innocent, then he ought to have pardoned them much sooner--and not just let them rot in prison, for a few extra years, until it was more convenient to issue pardons.
Looks like a job for Dexter.
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People of Alabama hated this guy so much they elected a tRUmp hating Democrat over him. Gotta tell you something.
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