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Old 12-04-2019, 04:57 PM
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Default Donald Trump Breaks the Constitution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUSQ...ature=emb_logo

scholars discuss the impeachment proceedings and trump's response
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Old 12-04-2019, 05:43 PM
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I'm reminded how the government is supposed to work...

Instead of yelling "The president did something unconstitutional!!!!!!!" and then believing it's written in stone because someone yelled it, they went through a process...

Example...

Supreme Court deals blow to Obama on recess appointments

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President Obama’s attempt to make appointments to the National Labor Relations Board while the Senate was still technically in session was unconstitutional, the Supreme Court ruled Thursday.

The decision, which was unanimous in judgment, preserves the recess appointment power much as it was prior to Obama’s confrontation with Congress three years ago.

“We hold that, for purposes of the Recess Appointments Clause, the Senate is in session when it says it is, provided that, under its own rules, it retains the capacity to transact Senate business,” wrote Justice Stephen Breyer. “The Senate met that standard here.”
Now, instead of believing the president did something unconstitutional because some leftwing jerkwad from a leftwing college said so, here we have a UNANIMOUS SUPREME COURT DECISON (which includes 4 Liberals justices...2 of which appointed by Obama himself!!!!!)…

Now let's look at how the sides think...

Left - Obama did something unconstitutional...This was found through a trial where the defendant had counsel and could call its own witnesses...

Right - Obama did something unconstitutional...This was found through a trial where the defendant had counsel and could call its own witnesses...

Republicans - This is not enough to start impeachment proceedings, let alone an inquiry

Democrats - This is not enough to start impeachment proceedings, let alone an inquiry


And now?...

Left - Trump did something unconstitutional...There has been no trial where the defendant had counsel and could call its own witnesses...

Right - Trump did NOT do something unconstitutional...There has been no trial where the defendant had counsel and could call its own witnesses

Republicans - This is not enough to start impeachment proceedings, let alone an inquiry

Democrats - People we handpicked with no authority or evidence said something against Trump!!!! Start an inquiry!! Hold hearings where the defense can't even call its own witnesses without Democrat approval!!! IMPEACH!!!!!!!


I don't think they even understand how dumb this is...
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Paraphrasing two constitutional scholars testifying today:
To not impeach President Trump is to lose our Republic.
Paraphrasing GOP committee ranking member:
Lies and whining.
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The opinion of 3 hand picked Leftist professors do not represent breaking the Constitution. The telling moment of the hearing today was when the witnesses were asked to raise a hand if they had direct evidence regarding the President's supposed violations in the Schiff report, none raised a hand.

It was a tale told by Democrat idiots full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Professor Karlan, an Obama partisan, whined about being insulted and rudely mocked Trump's young son. In the end Chairman Nadler announced he had already reached a conclusion to impeach Trump despite the fact not a single bit of new direct evidence had been presented in the hearing before declaring the hearing ended over objections of Republicans.
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The opinion of 3 hand picked Leftist professors do not represent breaking the Constitution. The telling moment of the hearing today was when the witnesses were asked to raise a hand if they had direct evidence regarding the President's supposed violations in the Schiff report, none raised a hand.

It was a tale told by Democrat idiots full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Professor Karlan, an Obama partisan, whined about being insulted and rudely mocked Trump's young son. In the end Chairman Nadler announced he had already reached a conclusion to impeach Trump despite the fact not a single bit of new direct evidence had been presented in the hearing before declaring the hearing ended over objections of Republicans.
there was ample evidence already presented.
even though some direct participants were forbidden by the defendant to testify. btw that constitutes one count of impeachment right there. also, documents were not surrendered.
the hearing is ending and nobody has presented a defense. the head of today's proceedings is still asking trump to defend himself.
the evidence is clear and corroborated by trump's own appointees.
matter of factly trump and Mulvaney already admitted to the main offense.
these today were scholars given the facts of the case and asked to weigh it against the constitution.
all constitutional guidelines have been meticulously met concerning the proceedings.
thus far "bribery" and "high crimes and misdemeanors" — both explicitly outlined in the Constitution as impeachable offenses were committed.
also, obstruction of Congress and obstruction of justice can be applied.
trump hasn't even sent lawyers to defend himself.
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Paraphrasing two constitutional scholars testifying today:
To not impeach President Trump is to lose our Republic.
Paraphrasing GOP committee ranking member:
Lies and whining.
Quoting Alan Dershowitz :
"So, we're seeing a complete distortion of due process in the interest of just reaching a result, which is to be a partisan result"
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there was ample evidence already presented.
even though some direct participants were forbidden by the defendant to testify. btw that constitutes one count of impeachment right there. also, documents were not surrendered.
the hearing is ending and nobody has presented a defense. the head of today's proceedings is still asking trump to defend himself.
the evidence is clear and corroborated by trump's own appointees.
matter of factly trump and Mulvaney already admitted to the main offense.
these today were scholars given the facts of the case and asked to weigh it against the constitution.
all constitutional guidelines have been meticulously met concerning the proceedings.
thus far "bribery" and "high crimes and misdemeanors" — both explicitly outlined in the Constitution as impeachable offenses were committed.
also, obstruction of Congress and obstruction of justice can be applied.
trump hasn't even sent lawyers to defend himself.
Ample evidence to debunk the allegations of QPQ and the focus group tested charge of bribery has been presented. The principles in the phone conversation have both said there was no coercion or bribery, the Ukrainian President said he wasn't even pushed. The only witness in the Schiff show who had direct contact with Trump stated he presumed the aid was conditional and that Trump had told him there was nothing he wanted from the Ukrainians but them to do the right thing.

Today's judiciary committee debacle didn't add to the facts surrounding the very serious matter of impeachment. It was supposed to be an impeachment hearings but it was nothing but editorial rhetoric.

Why would the President want to legitimize the House Democrats kangaroo court by sending representatives for Commissar Nadler to gavel down.
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Quoting Alan Dershowitz :
"So, we're seeing a complete distortion of due process in the interest of just reaching a result, which is to be a partisan result"
save Epstein's BBF's quote for when the senate doesn't convict the criminal trump
when it can be more aptly applied
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Ample evidence to debunk the allegations of QPQ and the focus group tested charge of bribery has been presented. The principles in the phone conversation have both said there was no coercion or bribery, the Ukrainian President said he wasn't even pushed. The only witness in the Schiff show who had direct contact with Trump stated he presumed the aid was conditional and that Trump had told him there was nothing he wanted from the Ukrainians but them to do the right thing.

Today's judiciary committee debacle didn't add to the facts surrounding the very serious matter of impeachment. It was supposed to be an impeachment hearings but it was nothing but editorial rhetoric.

Why would the President want to legitimize the House Democrats kangaroo court by sending representatives for Commissar Nadler to gavel down.
I guess you missed the part when Sonland said, "We were all in the loop."
and when he said it didn't matter if Ukraine started an investigation into Joe Biden, as long as they publicly announced that they would.
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I guess you missed the part when Sonland said, "We were all in the loop."
and when he said it didn't matter if Ukraine started an investigation into Joe Biden, as long as they publicly announced that they would.
No he didn't miss that, he's just lying about it as he usually does everything else.
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