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Here are some interesting numbers from the (well-respected) Battleground poll:

Two-thirds of all Americans (67 percent) believe that we are now on the verge of a second civil war. (In a way, we are already experiencing just that; presumably, however, what is really meant is a shooting civil war.)

Eighty-four percent of Americans, according to the poll, complain that they "are tired of leaders compromising [their] values and ideals."

But an even larger percentage--87 percent--are upset about the current rudeness in politics; yet they eschew traditional compromise.

Could it be, then, that many want "compromise"--but only on their own terms?

In other words: My way or the highway?
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Here are some interesting numbers from the (well-respected) Battleground poll:

Two-thirds of all Americans (67 percent) believe that we are now on the verge of a second civil war. (In a way, we are already experiencing just that; presumably, however, what is really meant is a shooting civil war.)

Eighty-four percent of Americans, according to the poll, complain that they "are tired of leaders compromising [their] values and ideals."

But an even larger percentage--87 percent--are upset about the current rudeness in politics; yet they eschew traditional compromise.

Could it be, then, that many want "compromise"--but only on their own terms?

In other words: My way or the highway?
I'm surprised that 2/3 claim to believe we are on the verge of a civil war. I sort of believe we are, but I would act only defensively. I'd never start one.

Could this be the reason the some of the left believe that all guns must be removed from society? Even if door to door searches are required?

I think most people want compromise only on their terms. Even when and if a compromise is reached, both sides will tell you it's just a step toward the real goal.
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I'm surprised that 2/3 claim to believe we are on the verge of a civil war. I sort of believe we are, but I would act only defensively. I'd never start one.

Could this be the reason the some of the left believe that all guns must be removed from society? Even if door to door searches are required?

I think most people want compromise only on their terms. Even when and if a compromise is reached, both sides will tell you it's just a step toward the real goal.
We are in a civil war. The real battle started November 8th of 2016. The battle continues to rage daily. How is it you have not noticed?

Guns will come out, and come out blazing, when the left gets desperate enough to just begin confiscation. Until then, their battle cries are just annoying propaganda.
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We are in a civil war. The real battle started November 8th of 2016. The battle continues to rage daily. How is it you have not noticed?

Guns will come out, and come out blazing, when the left gets desperate enough to just begin confiscation. Until then, their battle cries are just annoying propaganda.
I've noticed. I was referring to a shooting war. I used to think the left was not dumb enough to begin a shooting war. Especially when there is no guarantee which side LEO and the military will fall on. Now I'm not so sure.
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I've noticed. I was referring to a shooting war. I used to think the left was not dumb enough to begin a shooting war. Especially when there is no guarantee which side LEO and the military will fall on. Now I'm not so sure.
I wouldn't worry about rank and file of the military. Career officers are another matter. LEO's are a big question mark as most of them have conflicts between duty and political and union allegiances.
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I've never understood the talk about a new "civil war" in a shooting sense.

if the left managed to get to such a power position that they decided to confiscate guns, i suspect that a LOT of people will in fact give them up to the cops. Just like they did in England and Australia. And most others will simply hide some or all of ou..um...their weapons.
I have a hard time imagining very many conservatives shooting police officers, or national guardsmen or posse comittatus-tized regular military.
Unless surrounded and threaten by authorities at home. Which everyone knows won't end well for the principled gun owner.
As far as leftist attacking conservatives... other than Antifa, SJW or pro-abortionists types in mobs they are generally non-violent and generally without weapons.
So I'm not sure who a "shooting war" civil war is going to be against.

In the bizarre extreme the only vision of civil war i can picture is some conservatives randomly shooting people that they see who they THINK are left leaning.
---hey lookie thar at that hippster!...Ka Pow- look, the girl with the blue hair! She aint a real American!--Bang... Black!--Bang...mexican!--bang bang the woman looks like lesbian!--bang. This is WAAAR take America back from these haters!---
I'm sorry but could someone tell me how any armed conservative is supposed to know who the enemy is other than the aggressive U.S., State and local gov'ts and it's armed enforcers?

So I just can't picture a real shooting version of Civil War, it just doesn't make sense.
But the weird thing is if you try and tell most conservatives that the gov't is too powerful, deeply corrupt and oppressive to freedoms and needs to be put in check or that the police and or military are not always your friends or they are acting unconstitutionally. They will say you're ANTI-AMERICA! and HATE America!
But somehow talk of a shooting "civil war" is reasonable... even BEFORE anyone in gov't has even taken one bullet, much less taken property or a life unjustifiably.
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I've never understood the talk about a new "civil war" in a shooting sense.

if the left managed to get to such a power position that they decided to confiscate guns, i suspect that a LOT of people will in fact give them up to the cops. Just like they did in England and Australia. And most others will simply hide some or all of ou..um...their weapons.
I have a hard time imagining very many conservatives shooting police officers, or national guardsmen or posse comittatus-tized regular military.
Unless surrounded and threaten by authorities at home. Which everyone knows won't end well for the principled gun owner.
As far as leftist attacking conservatives... other than Antifa, SJW or pro-abortionists types in mobs they are generally non-violent and generally without weapons.
So I'm not sure who a "shooting war" civil war is going to be against.

In the bizarre extreme the only vision of civil war i can picture is some conservatives randomly shooting people that they see who they THINK are left leaning.
---hey lookie thar at that hippster!...Ka Pow- look, the girl with the blue hair! She aint a real American!--Bang... Black!--Bang...mexican!--bang bang the woman looks like lesbian!--bang. This is WAAAR take America back from these haters!---
I'm sorry but could someone tell me how any armed conservative is supposed to know who the enemy is other than the aggressive U.S., State and local gov'ts and it's armed enforcers?

So I just can't picture a real shooting version of Civil War, it just doesn't make sense.
But the weird thing is if you try and tell most conservatives that the gov't is too powerful, deeply corrupt and oppressive to freedoms and needs to be put in check or that the police and or military are not always your friends or they are acting unconstitutionally. They will say you're ANTI-AMERICA! and HATE America!
But somehow talk of a shooting "civil war" is reasonable... even BEFORE anyone in gov't has even taken one bullet, much less taken property or a life unjustifiably.
Fact; We did it in 1775 and again thru to 1789. If you consider the stamp act and taxes on tea, for frankly less incentives than current times, by people who had little concept of what individual rights, civil rights, and freedoms actually meant.

Under what reasoning would we not do it today?

Liberals have nibbled at everyone of the basic ten in-alienable rights guaranteed by the US Constitution for 235 years. Now they want to swallow some of them whole.

Add to that, they want to reverse a national election.

An armed Civilian revolt is becoming more and more a possibility with each passing day.
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I've noticed. I was referring to a shooting war. I used to think the left was not dumb enough to begin a shooting war. Especially when there is no guarantee which side LEO and the military will fall on. Now I'm not so sure.
No...The Left won't shoot...

They'll sign...

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Fact; We did it in 1775 and again thru to 1789. If you consider the stamp act and taxes on tea, for frankly less incentives than current times, by people who had little concept of what individual rights, civil rights, and freedoms actually meant.

Under what reasoning would we not do it today?

Liberals have nibbled at everyone of the basic ten in-alienable rights guaranteed by the US Constitution for 235 years. Now they want to swallow some of them whole.
I could be wrong but frankly i don't think the Americans of today are that much like the Americans of the the 1700's.

I've said many times that if Washington and crew were living today they would have LONG ago gone to Washington and dealt with congress and the courts and the presidents. Ds and Rs.
frankly after 9/11 the unconstitutional train ran off the track so far that i could hardly believe it. But conservatives cheered it on and asked for more.

plus "Liberal vs Conservative" wasn't the issue in the 1700s it was freedom vs dictatorship.

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Add to that, they want to reverse a national election.
An armed Civilian revolt is becoming more and more a possibility with each passing day.
OK, can you tell me exactly how a "civil war" or "an armed Civilian revolt" is any different from wanting "to reverse a national election"?
besides less bloodshed.
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I've never understood the talk about a new "civil war" in a shooting sense.

if the left managed to get to such a power position that they decided to confiscate guns, i suspect that a LOT of people will in fact give them up to the cops. Just like they did in England and Australia. And most others will simply hide some or all of ou..um...their weapons.
I have a hard time imagining very many conservatives shooting police officers, or national guardsmen or posse comittatus-tized regular military.
Unless surrounded and threaten by authorities at home. Which everyone knows won't end well for the principled gun owner.
As far as leftist attacking conservatives... other than Antifa, SJW or pro-abortionists types in mobs they are generally non-violent and generally without weapons.
So I'm not sure who a "shooting war" civil war is going to be against.

In the bizarre extreme the only vision of civil war i can picture is some conservatives randomly shooting people that they see who they THINK are left leaning.
---hey lookie thar at that hippster!...Ka Pow- look, the girl with the blue hair! She aint a real American!--Bang... Black!--Bang...mexican!--bang bang the woman looks like lesbian!--bang. This is WAAAR take America back from these haters!---
I'm sorry but could someone tell me how any armed conservative is supposed to know who the enemy is other than the aggressive U.S., State and local gov'ts and it's armed enforcers?
You seem to have a warped view of conservatives just being a bunch of uneducated, backwoods hicks looking to do harm to anyone that they feel is different than them. Nice generalization, but completely misses the mark. If the left in this country shares this perception of conservatives, no wonder they put the right in such a bad light.

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So I just can't picture a real shooting version of Civil War, it just doesn't make sense.
But the weird thing is if you try and tell most conservatives that the gov't is too powerful, deeply corrupt and oppressive to freedoms and needs to be put in check or that the police and or military are not always your friends or they are acting unconstitutionally. They will say you're ANTI-AMERICA! and HATE America!
But somehow talk of a shooting "civil war" is reasonable... even BEFORE anyone in gov't has even taken one bullet, much less taken property or a life unjustifiably.
I don't believe that anyone is trying to justify anything yet, they are simply stating what they believe to be the sentiment of the country.

However, they are already beginning to take guns and ammo from law abiding citizens. See the thread I started about the school crossing guard that had his guns seized because he was lamenting in private about a school resource officer not being present at the school and was worried that someone could come in and shoot up the building.

Also note the proposed "red flag" laws around the country where all it takes is an accusation that someone is unstable or a threat to others, and would allow for authorities to confiscate that persons weapons without due process.

IF these trends continue, you will see freedom loving people (not just conservatives) begin to band together in an effort to protect themselves and their property. And if some local head strong politician or LEO decides to teach them a lesson about authority, it could get ugly. Once that happens, it will spread around the country like wildfire and THAT will be the start of the armed civil war. It won't be like the last one along state lines, but will be along ideological lines and quickly overtake pockets around the country.

The left if pushing those of us that care about our freedoms and our God given rights, to the point where people WILL see no other option but to forcibly resist any encroachments on their rights. It won't be widespread at first, but will most likely be in response to over zealous actions taken by the left.
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