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Old 09-19-2019, 11:57 PM
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...I took it out with my 357 and a shovel.
(Yes I'm that lousy a shot. Missed the buggar five times.)
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so you're reason we need gun control

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Some people--and even some countries--do not wish to claim the ability to assign blame, as that would automatically suggest that we should do something.

And that might (gasp!) lead to war...
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Some people--and even some countries--do not wish to claim the ability to assign blame, as that would automatically suggest that we should do something.

And that might (gasp!) lead to war...
In a joint news conference with the Australian PM this morning President Trump spoke about strength through the practice of restraint. The easiest thing would be to unleash our vastly superior military on Iran. Not only has our President decided not to do that for the moment but he has dismissed his closest adviser over his advocacy of attacking Iran. Yet the Resistance media continues to howl about Trump's supposed enthusiasm for going to war with Iran.
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so you're reason we need gun control

Once whilst teaching my 12 year old granddaughter to shoot her new Henry lever action 22, I aimed three times at a water bottle from prone position,,,, and missed. AT FIFTY YARDS. She took the gun from me, placed aim from a standing position and blew the bottle ten feet in the air.
I never claimed to be a good shot. That's why I own high caliber weapons.

Add to that, I'm careful I don't piss her off.
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Ronald Reagan said "Trust but Verify".

fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...
Not surprising you chose to use the Iraq war when Obama's grand Libyan adventure is a much better parallel to the current situation with Iran. With no consultation with Congess Obama committed the US military to fight on the side of largely unknown rebels. Too bad he didn't heed "trust but verify" but instead signed on to the obligation to protect theory. Turned out the rebels were terrorists who turned Libya into an S show.
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In a joint news conference with the Australian PM this morning President Trump spoke about strength through the practice of restraint.
Sometimes "restraint" is merely a euphemism for doing nothing.

Perhaps I am mistaken, in my view that President Trump has chosen to do nothing --or, at least, nothing significant. There is still time; he may do something soon.

But given his last-minute pullback, in June (following Iran's downing of our drone)--with our bombers already on the way to Iran--I am not especially hopeful...
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Some people--and even some countries--do not wish to claim the ability to assign blame, as that would automatically suggest that we should do something.

And that might (gasp!) lead to war...
Some people want evidence before we assign blame. seems to be smart and right thing to do.
Others just want to "do something" on the "likelihood" that one country attacked another country a world away, and MAYBE one day a small country will attack us.
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Not surprising you chose to use the Iraq war when Obama's grand Libyan adventure is a much better parallel to the current situation with Iran. With no consultation with Congess Obama committed the US military to fight on the side of largely unknown rebels. Too bad he didn't heed "trust but verify" but instead signed on to the obligation to protect theory. Turned out the rebels were terrorists who turned Libya into an S show.
Look both work for me.
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But Obama and Hillary didn't even take time to lie to the UN with a bunch of props. they just did it and sent out press releases after the fact.

But yes, you know the "rebels" in Libya weren't that unknown. They were well known to be Alqeada BEFORE Obama and Hillary sent in help. Many were former AQ/Isis terrorist from Lydia (who Khadafi had been fighting for years). these same "rebels" left Libya to fight U.S. troops in Iraq for a few years then came BACK to Libya to fight Khadafi(sp) again.
THAT's who Obama and Hillary called "freedom fighters" and "rebels" and gave military support to.
The AQ flags have flown over the Libyan capital overseeing the S Show going on there now-a-days.

please don't assume i'm partisan on this .. or many (any) issue.
I'm not sure why you guys want to try to push me into a box.
sorry i'm an ISSUES based voter. with constitutional, libertarian and moral foundation. not PARTY foundation.
And as far as i can tell both parties have "leadership" who LOVE to start BS wars.

Thankfully Trump doesn't seem to want to buy the BS they are trying to sell him.
one of the reasons i prefer Trump over Hillary.
IMO I think Hillary would have had more troops in Syria,(with the same result as Libya) and possibly in the Ukraine threatening war with Russia by now.
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Sometimes "restraint" is merely a euphemism for doing nothing.

Perhaps I am mistaken, in my view that President Trump has chosen to do nothing --or, at least, nothing significant. There is still time; he may do something soon.

But given his last-minute pullback, in June (following Iran's downing of our drone)--with our bombers already on the way to Iran--I am not especially hopeful...
Sometimes people try to think things through before going off half-cocked. Perhaps President Trump is working with the pentagon to determine an appropriate plan and course of action.
Personally, I'd like to see Iran bombed into oblivion with nuclear weapons but in a practical view of what's best for the world, that's probably not the appropriate response to our drone being shot down and the Saudi oil attack.
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Once whilst teaching my 12 year old granddaughter to shoot her new Henry lever action 22, I aimed three times at a water bottle from prone position,,,, and missed. AT FIFTY YARDS. She took the gun from me, placed aim from a standing position and blew the bottle ten feet in the air.
I never claimed to be a good shot. That's why I own high caliber weapons.

Add to that, I'm careful I don't piss her off.
Dude, you don't need high caliber weapons to protect yourself and family, you need fully automatic weapons so you can spray and pray.
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