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Old 08-15-2019, 01:26 PM
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I just learned that our usual server, at the pizza place that my wife and I frequent about twice per week, has no personal days--none.

I found this to be utterly bewildering. And highly irritating.

Although I am well into retirement--it has been almost 14 1/2 years now--if I had been applying for a job during my working lifetime; and if the interviewer had indicated that there were no personal days allowed by the company (even if the hourly wage were substantial), the rest of the conversation would surely have gone something like this:

Me: "Back up just a little, please. What was that you just said about personal days?"

Interviewer: "I said that there are none given."

Me: "It sounded like that is what you said. I just could not believe that I heard you correctly."

Me again: "I think that we have discussed all that we need to. But I do wish you a pleasant rest of the day."

And then I would have simply walked out. Briskly.
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Old 08-15-2019, 01:30 PM
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And that is the beauty of our capitalist economy. People are free to take or refuse jobs at their discretion.

I also agree with your stance provided that there were other opportunities available and to what extent I needed a job. Sometimes, you have to take what ever job is available, especially during economic hard times. So therefore I cannot say I would NEVER take a job like that, but I would hope that with my experience and skill that I could easily come across much better options.
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Consider that servers make most of their compensation from tips which can only be earned when they are working. Personal days are probably not worth all that much to the server.

Were I used to work they had all sorts so-called family friendly benefits elderly parent care assistance, subsidized childcare, paid family leave and so on. They were great if you were in need. Problem is the cost of all these programs reduced the compensation pools for all employees. It was a tax on everybody's earnings to benefit a few.
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And that is the beauty of our capitalist economy. People are free to take or refuse jobs at their discretion.

I also agree with your stance provided that there were other opportunities available and to what extent I needed a job. Sometimes, you have to take what ever job is available, especially during economic hard times. So therefore I cannot say I would NEVER take a job like that, but I would hope that with my experience and skill that I could easily come across much better options.
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Consider that servers make most of their compensation from tips which can only be earned when they are working. Personal days are probably not worth all that much to the server.

Were I used to work they had all sorts so-called family friendly benefits elderly parent care assistance, subsidized childcare, paid family leave and so on. They were great if you were in need. Problem is the cost of all these programs reduced the compensation pools for all employees. It was a tax on everybody's earnings to benefit a few.
What both of you say is correct.

But the last company that I worked for prior to retirement--I began the job in 1987--was far from generous in its benefits, in my opinion. But at least it gave us 240 hours of personal days, plus another 240 hours of sick days (the reason that it is in hours, rather than in days, is because some employees were four-day personnel, whereas others were five-day personnel) each six months ( both on January 1 and July 1).

And, as I previously noted, I considered that company (which is now defunct) to be far from generous to its employees.
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at my union job i get ZERO sick days.
it took 8 years for me to get 1 personal day.
iíll get another next year when iíll have 15 years in.
as for vacation...
1 week for the first year.
2 weeks after two years.
3 weeks after 12 years.
4 weeks after 20 years.
and 5 weeks after 25 years.
plus i am occasionally forced to work overtime at straight time - for things like safety meetings and weld tests.
thatís what the union bargained for us.
i get a good hourly wage and my medical benefits are okay (they certainly were better prior to the affordable care act).
the retirement; as long as the feds donít raid it and steal it from us; should be pretty good.
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What both of you say is correct.

But the last company that I worked for prior to retirement--I began the job in 1987--was far from generous in its benefits, in my opinion. But at least it gave us 240 hours of personal days, plus another 240 hours of sick days (the reason that it is in hours, rather than in days, is because some employees were four-day personnel, whereas others were five-day personnel) each six months ( both on January 1 and July 1).

And, as I previously noted, I considered that company (which is now defunct) to be far from generous to its employees.
As Get A Clue says, that's the good thing about the market system. You have choices. Go where you feel most comfortable.

No company is compelled to offer employment for any reason. No employee is compelled to accept the company's offer.
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I guess I simply do not understand the problem here. Is it no personal days, or no personal days with pay? The former is immoral and insensitive, if not illegal. The latter is just how a business might choose to operate.

And employees can chose whether or not they want the freebies as part of their compensation by accepting or declining the position.


An employer has an obligation to provide work in a safe environment for a paycheck that will cash. The employee has an obligation to show up on time and perform effort as directed. Anything beyond that is negotiable.
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I guess I simply do not understand the problem here. Is it no personal days, or no personal days with pay? The former is immoral and insensitive, if not illegal. The latter is just how a business might choose to operate.

And employees can chose whether or not they want the freebies as part of their compensation by accepting or declining the position.


An employer has an obligation to provide work in a safe environment for a paycheck that will cash. The employee has an obligation to show up on time and perform effort as directed. Anything beyond that is negotiable.
I'm guessing no personal days with pay.

I don't know of any company that would not give you an occasional day off if it was important enough to you to eat the loss in pay.

In the very few times I worked for someone else, I preferred high compensation and less benefits. My choice.
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I guess I simply do not understand the problem here. Is it no personal days, or no personal days with pay? The former is immoral and insensitive, if not illegal. The latter is just how a business might choose to operate.

And employees can chose whether or not they want the freebies as part of their compensation by accepting or declining the position.


An employer has an obligation to provide work in a safe environment for a paycheck that will cash. The employee has an obligation to show up on time and perform effort as directed. Anything beyond that is negotiable.
You are correct in all of this.

But I would have found it simply jaw-dropping if I had been offered a job with no personal days, with full pay. And rather offensive, also.
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You are correct in all of this.

But I would have found it simply jaw-dropping if I had been offered a job with no personal days, with full pay. And rather offensive, also.
I don't understand why that is "offensive." No insult is intended with that policy.

For the record, don't apply for work in one of my companies.
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