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Since the Civil War the White Supremacists have controlled the debate because they've established the meanings of the words often we use. Selectively they've chosen the words and phrases to use and have consistently applied the same meaning to them for 150 years. That we might want to assign a different meaning does not change the historical meanings of these words. The history establishes precedent in the definitions.

For an example we can refer to the word "monoculturalism" that's often used because it was given a precise meaning by the White Supremacists. It's not a reference to a general "American" culture but instead refers to a specific American culture and we can see the roots of this from President Andrew Johnson when he became president after Lincoln's assassination.

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According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, Johnson wrote to Governor Thomas C. Fletcher of Missouri, “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government for white men.”
This wasn't about just any white man but instead was specific to Protestant white men with it's the culture of male domination (misogyny) and a willingness to engage in acts of aggression and violence to achieve it's goals. It didn't include Catholics or other non-Protestant Christians and certainly didn't include the Quakers that believed in the equality of the sexes and that opposed violence in any form. We can see the exclusion of the Quakers that were highly supportive of self-determination where they were highly influential prior to the American Revolution but that opposed the violence involved in the American Revolution and because of that lost political influence after the Revolution. The Quakers would have pursued a non-violent means of securing independence for the United States.

It also included birtherism as a criteria. The same "rule" of "one drop of black blood" used to establish that a person could be property and a slave would prevent a Jew that had converted to become a Protestant Christian from being included as a member of the "Protestant" demographic. If you had Jewish heritage you could not be an American under the racist criteria of White Supremacy in America.

Only those with the hereditary background of being a part of a "White Protestant Male dominated culture" in America was to be considered as an American under monoculturalism. That hasn't changed in over 150 years of American history because the KKK has continually used that definition.

When the term "invasion" is used in reference to immigration it has a singular meaning.

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Definition of invasion
1: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion

The use is not related to an incursion of an army for conquest or plunder. The definition is based upon the White Supremacy belief that the demographics of the people it's applied to will dilute and perhaps someday overcome the political and economic power of the White Protestant Male dominated culture of the White Supremacists. For example the expanding Hispanic population in the United States is "hurtful" to the White Supremacists. It has nothing to do with legal v illegal immigration and, in fact, the higher birth rate among Hispanics alone creating generations of Natural Born US citizens alone is a threat to White Supremacist control in America.

When Patrick Crusius began his killing spree at the Walmart in El Paso he wasn't concerned about immigration. In his own words when arrested he targeted "Mexicans" in the United States without any regard for whether they are immigrants or US citizens. When President Trump referred to "Mexicans" (Hispanics) being "breeders" that are "infesting America" he wasn't addressing just immigrant Hispanics. He was addressing all Hispanics that represent a threat to White Supremacy in the United States. Like all "infestations" the response is to exterminate them which is exactly what the goal of the KKK and White Supremacists. Patrick Crusius, a White Supremacist, responded to that call to "fight the infestation of Mexicans (Hispanics)" in the United States. Hispanics are not alone in being targeted. Jews, Blacks, Muslims, and anyone other than the members of the "White Protestant Male Culture" are all equally subject to acts of terrorism because the White Supremacists need to guard against all threats to their political and economic Supremacy.

Some question whether President Trump is partially responsible for these White Supremacist acts of terrorism. He didn't tell the White Supremacists to go out and conduct acts of terrorism but he certainly placed the Presidential Stamp of Approval on them by advocating the White Supremacists ideology in his rhetoric. People try to excuse him by using other "definitions" of the words but history has established the definitions and those cannot be changed to rationalize Trump's advocacy for White Supremacy and the acts of terrorism that White Supremacists commit.
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Since the Civil War the White Supremacists have controlled the debate because they've established the meanings of the words often we use. Selectively they've chosen the words and phrases to use and have consistently applied the same meaning to them for 150 years. That we might want to assign a different meaning does not change the historical meanings of these words. The history establishes precedent in the definitions.

For an example we can refer to the word "monoculturalism" that's often used because it was given a precise meaning by the White Supremacists. It's not a reference to a general "American" culture but instead refers to a specific American culture and we can see the roots of this from President Andrew Johnson when he became president after Lincoln's assassination.

This wasn't about just any white man but instead was specific to Protestant white men with it's the culture of male domination (misogyny) and a willingness to engage in acts of aggression and violence to achieve it's goals. It didn't include Catholics or other non-Protestant Christians and certainly didn't include the Quakers that believed in the equality of the sexes and that opposed violence in any form. We can see the exclusion of the Quakers that were highly supportive of self-determination where they were highly influential prior to the American Revolution but that opposed the violence involved in the American Revolution and because of that lost political influence after the Revolution. The Quakers would have pursued a non-violent means of securing independence for the United States.

It also included birtherism as a criteria. The same "rule" of "one drop of black blood" used to establish that a person could be property and a slave would prevent a Jew that had converted to become a Protestant Christian from being included as a member of the "Protestant" demographic. If you had Jewish heritage you could not be an American under the racist criteria of White Supremacy in America.

Only those with the hereditary background of being a part of a "White Protestant Male dominated culture" in America was to be considered as an American under monoculturalism. That hasn't changed in over 150 years of American history because the KKK has continually used that definition.

When the term "invasion" is used in reference to immigration it has a singular meaning.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion

The use is not related to an incursion of an army for conquest or plunder. The definition is based upon the White Supremacy belief that the demographics of the people it's applied to will dilute and perhaps someday overcome the political and economic power of the White Protestant Male dominated culture of the White Supremacists. For example the expanding Hispanic population in the United States is "hurtful" to the White Supremacists. It has nothing to do with legal v illegal immigration and, in fact, the higher birth rate among Hispanics alone creating generations of Natural Born US citizens alone is a threat to White Supremacist control in America.

When Patrick Crusius began his killing spree at the Walmart in El Paso he wasn't concerned about immigration. In his own words when arrested he targeted "Mexicans" in the United States without any regard for whether they are immigrants or US citizens. When President Trump referred to "Mexicans" (Hispanics) being "breeders" that are "infesting America" he wasn't addressing just immigrant Hispanics. He was addressing all Hispanics that represent a threat to White Supremacy in the United States. Like all "infestations" the response is to exterminate them which is exactly what the goal of the KKK and White Supremacists. Patrick Crusius, a White Supremacist, responded to that call to "fight the infestation of Mexicans (Hispanics)" in the United States. Hispanics are not alone in being targeted. Jews, Blacks, Muslims, and anyone other than the members of the "White Protestant Male Culture" are all equally subject to acts of terrorism because the White Supremacists need to guard against all threats to their political and economic Supremacy.

Some question whether President Trump is partially responsible for these White Supremacist acts of terrorism. He didn't tell the White Supremacists to go out and conduct acts of terrorism but he certainly placed the Presidential Stamp of Approval on them by advocating the White Supremacists ideology in his rhetoric. People try to excuse him by using other "definitions" of the words but history has established the definitions and those cannot be changed to rationalize Trump's advocacy for White Supremacy and the acts of terrorism that White Supremacists commit.
You will find whatever you are looking for, no matter if it exists or not.

If you have issues, looking back at something said 150 years ago or more, is not a measurement of what exists today.

Redefining words is not a new thing, the liberals have been doing it for years. Saying one is a Nationalist, does not mean they are a racist, because the term has been modified or redefined. It means he believes that this country is the best of all countries. While I think this country is pretty damn good, I don't have another country to compare it to in it's entirety, so I would say I'm Patriotic, not a Nationalist.

You need to understand the basis of words, not colored by those who attempt to undermine by changing meanings.
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You will find whatever you are looking for, no matter if it exists or not.

If you have issues, looking back at something said 150 years ago or more, is not a measurement of what exists today.

Redefining words is not a new thing, the liberals have been doing it for years. Saying one is a Nationalist, does not mean they are a racist, because the term has been modified or redefined. It means he believes that this country is the best of all countries. While I think this country is pretty damn good, I don't have another country to compare it to in it's entirety, so I would say I'm Patriotic, not a Nationalist.

You need to understand the basis of words, not colored by those who attempt to undermine by changing meanings.
Shiva colors everything through his multi-colored glasses. He wants a multi cultural country. He would like to see America appease every different person that comes to this country. He is willing to give away the farm in hopes of a diverse Liberal utopia.
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Since the Civil War the White Supremacists have controlled the debate because they've established the meanings of the words often we use. Selectively they've chosen the words and phrases to use and have consistently applied the same meaning to them for 150 years. That we might want to assign a different meaning does not change the historical meanings of these words. The history establishes precedent in the definitions.

For an example we can refer to the word "monoculturalism" that's often used because it was given a precise meaning by the White Supremacists. It's not a reference to a general "American" culture but instead refers to a specific American culture and we can see the roots of this from President Andrew Johnson when he became president after Lincoln's assassination.



This wasn't about just any white man but instead was specific to Protestant white men with it's the culture of male domination (misogyny) and a willingness to engage in acts of aggression and violence to achieve it's goals. It didn't include Catholics or other non-Protestant Christians and certainly didn't include the Quakers that believed in the equality of the sexes and that opposed violence in any form. We can see the exclusion of the Quakers that were highly supportive of self-determination where they were highly influential prior to the American Revolution but that opposed the violence involved in the American Revolution and because of that lost political influence after the Revolution. The Quakers would have pursued a non-violent means of securing independence for the United States.

It also included birtherism as a criteria. The same "rule" of "one drop of black blood" used to establish that a person could be property and a slave would prevent a Jew that had converted to become a Protestant Christian from being included as a member of the "Protestant" demographic. If you had Jewish heritage you could not be an American under the racist criteria of White Supremacy in America.

Only those with the hereditary background of being a part of a "White Protestant Male dominated culture" in America was to be considered as an American under monoculturalism. That hasn't changed in over 150 years of American history because the KKK has continually used that definition.

When the term "invasion" is used in reference to immigration it has a singular meaning.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion

The use is not related to an incursion of an army for conquest or plunder. The definition is based upon the White Supremacy belief that the demographics of the people it's applied to will dilute and perhaps someday overcome the political and economic power of the White Protestant Male dominated culture of the White Supremacists. For example the expanding Hispanic population in the United States is "hurtful" to the White Supremacists. It has nothing to do with legal v illegal immigration and, in fact, the higher birth rate among Hispanics alone creating generations of Natural Born US citizens alone is a threat to White Supremacist control in America.

When Patrick Crusius began his killing spree at the Walmart in El Paso he wasn't concerned about immigration. In his own words when arrested he targeted "Mexicans" in the United States without any regard for whether they are immigrants or US citizens. When President Trump referred to "Mexicans" (Hispanics) being "breeders" that are "infesting America" he wasn't addressing just immigrant Hispanics. He was addressing all Hispanics that represent a threat to White Supremacy in the United States. Like all "infestations" the response is to exterminate them which is exactly what the goal of the KKK and White Supremacists. Patrick Crusius, a White Supremacist, responded to that call to "fight the infestation of Mexicans (Hispanics)" in the United States. Hispanics are not alone in being targeted. Jews, Blacks, Muslims, and anyone other than the members of the "White Protestant Male Culture" are all equally subject to acts of terrorism because the White Supremacists need to guard against all threats to their political and economic Supremacy.

Some question whether President Trump is partially responsible for these White Supremacist acts of terrorism. He didn't tell the White Supremacists to go out and conduct acts of terrorism but he certainly placed the Presidential Stamp of Approval on them by advocating the White Supremacists ideology in his rhetoric. People try to excuse him by using other "definitions" of the words but history has established the definitions and those cannot be changed to rationalize Trump's advocacy for White Supremacy and the acts of terrorism that White Supremacists commit.
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The Left needs boogeymen...

In this case, they look at the 100,000 white supremacists in this country and pretend that the number is 50,000,000, making what they do seem relevant...

In reality, these a-holes are nothing more than a flea on a large dog and Liberals pay attention to them MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than Conservatives do...
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The Left needs boogeymen...

In this case, they look at the 100,000 white supremacists in this country and pretend that the number is 50,000,000, making what they do seem relevant...

In reality, these a-holes are nothing more than a flea on a large dog and Liberals pay attention to them MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than Conservatives do...
Where did you get the 100,000 number for white supremacists? I can't find a number from a reliable source. There is lots of circular reporting originating from the SPLC fraudsters.

I suspect the actual number of white supremacists is inflated by labeling organizations like the Tea Party "racist".
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Where did you get the 100,000 number for white supremacists? I can't find a number from a reliable source. There is lots of circular reporting originating from the SPLC fraudsters.

I suspect the actual number of white supremacists is inflated by labeling organizations like the Tea Party "racist".
No doubt about it!

Found this racist group under White Nationalists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...(United_States)
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Where did you get the 100,000 number for white supremacists? I can't find a number from a reliable source. There is lots of circular reporting originating from the SPLC fraudsters.

I suspect the actual number of white supremacists is inflated by labeling organizations like the Tea Party "racist".
You never hear it talked about that the people responsible for the violence in Charlottesville were members of the National Socialists Movement.

Maybe AOC can explain that to us.
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You will find whatever you are looking for, no matter if it exists or not.

If you have issues, looking back at something said 150 years ago or more, is not a measurement of what exists today.

Redefining words is not a new thing, the liberals have been doing it for years. Saying one is a Nationalist, does not mean they are a racist, because the term has been modified or redefined. It means he believes that this country is the best of all countries. While I think this country is pretty damn good, I don't have another country to compare it to in it's entirety, so I would say I'm Patriotic, not a Nationalist.

You need to understand the basis of words, not colored by those who attempt to undermine by changing meanings.
The general term "nationalist" does, by definition, mean "a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations" and there are certainly "nationalists" in the United States but the only historically self-proclaimed "nationalists" in the United States in our history have been the White Nationalists that were a rebranding of the White Supremacy organizations where "supremacy" was considered to be derogatory in a political context. It was similar to the rebranding of the Neo-Nazis as the "Alt-Right" for public relations purposes.

In the United States were only concerned with the White Nationalists because they're an organized movement of White Supremacy and not the individual person that's vigorously supports the United States and it's ideological foundation that makes it superior to other nations. As noted they tend to use the term patriot as opposed to nationalist.

As this thread addresses, because the White Nationalists/White Supremacists are the only organized self-proclaimed group of "nationalists" in the United States, they're controlling the debate by controlling the meanings of the words and terms they're using.
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