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Old 08-05-2019, 03:12 PM
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I happen to be someone that is against the removal of these statues. I am not from the South and I also feel that the Confederacy was wrong to attempt to secede from the Union. I was on the other side of the issue from the group that wanted these statues removed (not physically as I was no where near Charlottesville during these protests).

Does that make me a racist or a white supremacist?
It does raise the question of why you would want statues of traitors in places of honor in the United States. Should we also commission statues of Benedict Arnold to put in our parks?

It also brings into question any expression of support you might have for the sacrifices made by members of the US military that have died serving our country. Robert E Lee, during his time of treason, was responsible for over 100,000 members of the US military dying. You can honor those that served and died in the US military or you can honor those that were responsible for their death but you can't honor both.

Pick a side.

Do you support the United States or do you support treason committed against it?
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Old 08-05-2019, 03:31 PM
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It does raise the question of why you would want statues of traitors in places of honor in the United States. Should we also commission statues of Benedict Arnold to put in our parks?

It also brings into question any expression of support you might have for the sacrifices made by members of the US military that have died serving our country. Robert E Lee, during his time of treason, was responsible for over 100,000 members of the US military dying. You can honor those that served and died in the US military or you can honor those that were responsible for their death but you can't honor both.

Pick a side.

Do you support the United States or do you support treason committed against it?
You seem to be drawing a line where it shouldn't be. Just because a person doesn't want to see a statue of Lee torn down does not, in and of itself, make that person a treason supporter. Let me ask you this; If a person wants to leave up a statue of George Washington does that make them a supporter of slavery?
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Old 08-05-2019, 03:51 PM
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For those who have forgotten, or never learned it, separation from the Union was legal under the original founding agreements between the nation states known as the Thirteen Colonies. Not only was it perceived as legal at the time, it was not, I repeat, not treason.

General Lee had no visions or intentions of overthrowing the government of the USA. His allegiance was to the State of Virginia, where, at the time, it belonged.
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I believe that picture was taken on March 22, 2016. See here (and notice the coats everyone is wearing.). In fact, according to the linked article, many, if not the majority, of the people in this picture were on the right side (arguing for removal of the statue). The Charlottesville rally where Trump says he saw the “very fine people” on both sides took place in August 2017.
The majority of people in the picture were on YOUR side? I thought your side didn't like confederate flags, I guess I was wrong.
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I happen to be someone that is against the removal of these statues. I am not from the South and I also feel that the Confederacy was wrong to attempt to secede from the Union. I was on the other side of the issue from the group that wanted these statues removed (not physically as I was no where near Charlottesville during these protests).

Does that make me a racist or a white supremacist?
Absolutely!!!!…

Don't you know the rules?...

1) I don't want the statue taken down because it looks nice in the park. I don't care who it is, it's art, and functions, nicely, in that manner...

This equals "RACIST!"...

2) I don't want the statue taken down because it's whitewashing history, which should be on display, as Sir Oliver Cromwell said, "warts and all"...

This equals "RACIST!"...

3) I don't want the statue taken down because local councils have better things to do than to put on their political correctness hat and dive into the white-guilt pool every time the professional victim class whines...

This equals "RACIST!"...

4) I don't want the statue taken down because (inset anything here, including your opinion of the last season of "Game of Thrones")…

This equals "RACIST!"...

Come on GetAClue...Get a clue...





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It does raise the question of why you would want statues of traitors in places of honor in the United States. Should we also commission statues of Benedict Arnold to put in our parks?
I know, I must be crazy to want to preserve history. Whether you like it or not, the Civil War happened. Most if not all, of the combatants from the Confederate States were from southern towns and they fought bravely for what they believed to be states rights. Their sacrifice should not be forgotten. It does not have to be agreed with, but it should be remembered.

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It also brings into question any expression of support you might have for the sacrifices made by members of the US military that have died serving our country. Robert E Lee, during his time of treason, was responsible for over 100,000 members of the US military dying. You can honor those that served and died in the US military or you can honor those that were responsible for their death but you can't honor both.

Pick a side.

Do you support the United States or do you support treason committed against it?
I choose the side of truth. You can stick your fingers in your ear all you wish but the past still happened. I believe that it is something that we can use to remember what happened to ensure that it never happens again.
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And another thing. For well over a hundred years, nobody cared one bit about these statues. Then all of a sudden, someone says they should be offended by them and everyone looking for a reason to feel aggrieved is marching around wanting statues that have been in place for a hundred years to be torn down.
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I bet the Left would believes every one of these people, had they been turned around, would have the "Covington teen smug face" they want to punch so badly...
those people are not mainly sniveling little skinhead dodo brains hiding till their manifestos are complete and the gun is loaded. however, I wud point out some of their children may become that listening to trump's horse sht and other radicalization voices.
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It does raise the question of why you would want statues of traitors in places of honor in the United States. Should we also commission statues of Benedict Arnold to put in our parks?

It also brings into question any expression of support you might have for the sacrifices made by members of the US military that have died serving our country. Robert E Lee, during his time of treason, was responsible for over 100,000 members of the US military dying. You can honor those that served and died in the US military or you can honor those that were responsible for their death but you can't honor both.

Pick a side.

Do you support the United States or do you support treason committed against it?
You do recall that Lee and many, many other Confederates signed oaths of allegiance to the US after the war and encouraged others to do so. You do recall that Lee prohibited his troops from engaging in guerrilla warfare against the Union occupying forces. You do recall that Grant gave very Lee very generous terms for surrender. But none of that makes any difference to the self righteous charlatans puffed up on their own virtue.

Safely removed from the carnage and sacrifice of the civil war contemporary charlatans insist on reigniting the grievances from that conflict as a means of virtue signaling. Braying about anyone who opposes the Big Brother like purge of Confederate statues by locking them away in a museum supports slavery or is a traitor is classic Alinsky rubbing community resentments raw for political power at any cost.

Conveniently overlooked is the role of the Democrat party with its steadfast support for slavery in the antebellum South and segregation afterwards. The simple fact is there were no Republican slave owners, even black slave owners were Democrats. The Confederate army smeared as never to be forgiven traitors was a Democrat army. Yet the political institution that gave rise to the Confederacy, the clan and segregation isn't just absolved of its offenses against modern sensibilities, it's elevated to the great defender of civil rights, never mind the stench of hypocrisy.
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You do recall that Lee and many, many other Confederates signed oaths of allegiance to the US after the war and encouraged others to do so. You do recall that Lee prohibited his troops from engaging in guerrilla warfare against the Union occupying forces. You do recall that Grant gave very Lee very generous terms for surrender. But none of that makes any difference to the self righteous charlatans puffed up on their own virtue.

Safely removed from the carnage and sacrifice of the civil war contemporary charlatans insist on reigniting the grievances from that conflict as a means of virtue signaling. Braying about anyone who opposes the Big Brother like purge of Confederate statues by locking them away in a museum supports slavery or is a traitor is classic Alinsky rubbing community resentments raw for political power at any cost.

Conveniently overlooked is the role of the Democrat party with its steadfast support for slavery in the antebellum South and segregation afterwards. The simple fact is there were no Republican slave owners, even black slave owners were Democrats. The Confederate army smeared as never to be forgiven traitors was a Democrat army. Yet the political institution that gave rise to the Confederacy, the clan and segregation isn't just absolved of its offenses against modern sensibilities, it's elevated to the great defender of civil rights, never mind the stench of hypocrisy.
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