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Old 08-05-2019, 07:43 AM
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It is against the law to speed on the highway, Yet, people speed on the highway


It is against the law to rob banks, Yet, people rob banks.

It is against the law to shoot people gathered in large crowds, yet, people shoot citizens gathered in large crowds.

NO LAW WILL PREVENT SUCH TRAGEDIES.

A legal gun kills as effectively as an illegal gun. Fact!

We have plenty of laws on the books. Perhaps we should take a new approach and "enforce" them.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:24 AM
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What new laws would have prevented El Paso,Texas or Dayton,Ohio shootings yesterday
Banning inciteful speech during political campaigns might slow it down for sure.
trump (in fla) said 'only in the panhandle' when magas shouted ' shoot em!' when he asked what to do about the immigrants.
I suggest you start there.
Since we are for ****ting on the bill of rights lets impose some restrictions on the media.

Like the following -
1.Ban the airing, printing and circulation of the mass shooter's name and pictures.
2.Ban the media from speculating why the mass shooter did what he did.
3.Ban the posting of the mass shooter's manifesto, suicide notes and other written,typed,video or audio material he may have.
4. Ban the media from talking about the mass shooter's hobbies, posting habits, political affiliations and etc.
5.The only thing the media will be allowed to talk about is the fact the mass shooter murdered innocent people.


By doing those things it keeps these suicidal social outcast losers from being turned into instant celebs. We have had semiautomatic firearms for over a hundred years and at one time easy access to automatic firearms.But yet its only the last 30 years that mass shootings seem to be on the rise. The only thing that has changed is the fact the media turns these mass shooters into instant celebs.They talk about them for weeks at a time, they air their names, they show their pictures, air their manifestos, suicide notes and other **** if they have them. They speculate why they did what they did. They give a soap box to anti-2nd amendment trash. Now you could be a gay black transgender woman and use a firearm stop a mass shooting and you would not get the same treatment from the media as you would someone who used a firearm to commit mass murder.
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Another mass shooting yesterday evening in Dayton, Ohio... 9 dead, 16 injured per news reports. My question for those on the left side of the aisle is this - what new gun regulations/laws would have prevented yesterdays shootings?
Limiting magazine capacity would have reduced the number of dead and injured by gunshot wounds in Dayton. Police reported that the shooter had a 100 round magazine plus additional high capacity magazines in his possession. He fired 41 shots in less than 30 seconds before he was shot and killed by law enforcement.

Red Flag laws may have prevented it altogether because there are reports he'd expressed interest in committing a mass shooting days prior to committing the act.
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Limiting magazine capacity would have reduced the number of dead and injured by gunshot wounds in Dayton. Police reported that the shooter had a 100 round magazine plus additional high capacity magazines in his possession. He fired 41 shots in less than 30 seconds before he was shot and killed by law enforcement.

Red Flag laws may have prevented it altogether because there are reports he'd expressed interest in committing a mass shooting days prior to committing the act.
Like I mentioned earlier, the cartels have already advised the black market dealers not to sell to anybody any magazines that can hold more than five bullets. They know they have to abide by any new laws that pop up out of the anuses of gun weenies.

Those bad people and other psychos wishing to acquire a black market weapon must be able to show the seller a blue flag sticker on their ID card before any weapons can even be shown to them for purchase.

Golly that makes sense!
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A man killed 4 in a stabbing rampage that lasted hours. He was arrested at a 7-Eleven
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/08/u...cks/index.html

It looks like someone took advantage of our lack laws regarding the carrying of knives. So based on liberal logic we should:

1. Put a limit on the number of knives a person should own
2. Require background checks for anyone to buy a knife
3. Register all knives with the Government so that we know who has them
4. Create 'No Knife' zones to prevent further bloodshed.
5. Blame 7-11 because the killer was in there when he was caught.

Apparently if someone is intent upon killing someone, there are other options other than guns. Who would have thought?
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Since we are for ****ting on the bill of rights lets impose some restrictions on the media.

Like the following -
1.Ban the airing, printing and circulation of the mass shooter's name and pictures.
2.Ban the media from speculating why the mass shooter did what he did.
3.Ban the posting of the mass shooter's manifesto, suicide notes and other written,typed,video or audio material he may have.
4. Ban the media from talking about the mass shooter's hobbies, posting habits, political affiliations and etc.
5.The only thing the media will be allowed to talk about is the fact the mass shooter murdered innocent people.


By doing those things it keeps these suicidal social outcast losers from being turned into instant celebs. We have had semiautomatic firearms for over a hundred years and at one time easy access to automatic firearms.But yet its only the last 30 years that mass shootings seem to be on the rise. The only thing that has changed is the fact the media turns these mass shooters into instant celebs.They talk about them for weeks at a time, they air their names, they show their pictures, air their manifestos, suicide notes and other **** if they have them. They speculate why they did what they did. They give a soap box to anti-2nd amendment trash. Now you could be a gay black transgender woman and use a firearm stop a mass shooting and you would not get the same treatment from the media as you would someone who used a firearm to commit mass murder.
I agree with your post, but would like to add that the type of gun, round capacity, etc not be made the focal point. Make reference only to the shooter, since the gun is an inanimate object and did not cause the situation.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/08/u...cks/index.html

It looks like someone took advantage of our lack laws regarding the carrying of knives. So based on liberal logic we should:

1. Put a limit on the number of knives a person should own
2. Require background checks for anyone to buy a knife
3. Register all knives with the Government so that we know who has them
4. Create 'No Knife' zones to prevent further bloodshed.
5. Blame 7-11 because the killer was in there when he was caught.

Apparently if someone is intent upon killing someone, there are other options other than guns. Who would have thought?
Stop with the absurd comparisons. You cannot kill and wound the number of victims in Dayton and El Paso in the short amount of time both instances occurred with a knife. You can't even do it with a bolt action rifle or a revolver that requires reloading every six rounds.

Mass murders cannot be prevented completely but the number of dead and wounded can be significantly reduced.
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I agree with your post, but would like to add that the type of gun, round capacity, etc not be made the focal point. Make reference only to the shooter, since the gun is an inanimate object and did not cause the situation.
The focal point is the number of dead and wounded in the short amount of time in which the mass murders took place. That requires a semiautomatic rifle with a large capacity magazine.

The focus on "assault weapons" (i.e. carbine rifles firing high velocity ammunitions that were designed for military use and that, in combat, are almost exclusively used in the semiautomatic mode) where high capacity magazines are available is important if we want to reduce the number of dead and wounded. Having to reload and having less lethal ammunition both reduce the number of victims "per second" during a mass shooting.
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While not new legislation the expiration of the Brady Bill's prohibitions on the manufacture and sales of new "assault" weapons arguably accounted for the number of dead and wounded in Dayton and El Paso. Both of these mass murderers used newly purchased "assault weapons" that were banned under the Brady Bill.

When the Brady Bill's restrictions on "assault weapons" were enacted in 1994 very few people owned them. It's been estimated that less than one million and perhaps fewer than 500,000 were privately owned at the time. When the Brady Bill's prohibitions expired in 2004 it opened up a floodgate of purchases for these types of firearms with over 10 million being sold during the next ten years.

If those that wanted these types of firearms had been limited to the number of privately owned rifles in circulation in 1994 the price would have skyrocketed. Because they went back into commercial production the price was only a fraction of what it would have been without resumed production.

It's doubtful that either shooter would have been able to locate and afford to purchase the "assault weapons" they used in Dayton or El Paso if the Brady Bill's provisions had not been allowed to expire.

The resumption of production of these types of firearms also makes any new assault weapon ban less effective because of the additional number of these firearms that are now privately owned. It was a huge mistake to allow the Brady Bill to expire.
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Stop with the absurd comparisons. You cannot kill and wound the number of victims in Dayton and El Paso in the short amount of time both instances occurred with a knife. You can't even do it with a bolt action rifle or a revolver that requires reloading every six rounds.

Mass murders cannot be prevented completely but the number of dead and wounded can be significantly reduced.

How stupid is it to attempt to simply lower the number of people slaughtered by psychos! It seems all you care about is lowering the number. How about instead of punishing the good guys with your stupid, useless proposals, you make it easier to punish the psycho instead?
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