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Old 07-09-2019, 06:03 PM
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Default BET founder, a Democrat, says the party has gone 'too far to the left'

And from the "DUH" files....

We've all known the left has gone extreme and drifted more and more that way the past few years. It's nice to see actual libs admit it. The Democratic party used to have intelligent members and somewhat intelligent ideas. Now they have AOC.

BET founder, a Democrat, says the party has gone 'too far to the left'

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"The party in my opinion, for me personally, has moved too far to the left," Johnson said. "And for that reason, I don't have a particular candidate (I'm supporting) in the party at this time," he said. "I think at the end of the day, if a Democrat is going to beat Trump, then that person, he or she, will have to move to the center and you can't wait too long to do that."

Johnson conceded that President Trump has the economy working well so far, saying Trump deserves an "A+" on that front.

"I think the economy is doing great, and it's reaching populations that heretofore had very bad problems in terms of jobs and employments and the opportunities that come with employment so African-American unemployment is at its lowest level, " Johnson said.

"I give the president a lot of credit for moving the economy in a positive direction that's benefiting a large amount of Americans," he said. "I think the tax cuts clearly helped stimulate the economy. I think business people have more confidence in the way the economy is going."
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And from the "DUH" files....

We've all known the left has gone extreme and drifted more and more that way the past few years. It's nice to see actual libs admit it. The Democratic party used to have intelligent members and somewhat intelligent ideas. Now they have AOC.

BET founder, a Democrat, says the party has gone 'too far to the left'
The left will blow him off as a senile old has-been. They will say he doesn't know what it best for the country. Only the radical 20 something's know what's best for our countries future.
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And from the "DUH" files....

We've all known the left has gone extreme and drifted more and more that way the past few years. It's nice to see actual libs admit it. The Democratic party used to have intelligent members and somewhat intelligent ideas. Now they have AOC.

BET founder, a Democrat, says the party has gone 'too far to the left'

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"The party in my opinion, for me personally, has moved too far to the left," Johnson said. "And for that reason, I don't have a particular candidate (I'm supporting) in the party at this time," he said. "I think at the end of the day, if a Democrat is going to beat Trump, then that person, he or she, will have to move to the center and you can't wait too long to do that."

Johnson conceded that President Trump has the economy working well so far, saying Trump deserves an "A+" on that front.

"I think the economy is doing great, and it's reaching populations that heretofore had very bad problems in terms of jobs and employments and the opportunities that come with employment … so African-American unemployment is at its lowest level, " Johnson said.

"I give the president a lot of credit for moving the economy in a positive direction that's benefiting a large amount of Americans," he said. "I think the tax cuts clearly helped stimulate the economy. I think business people have more confidence in the way the economy is going."
Please correct the statement "We've all known the left has gone extreme and drifted more and more that way the past few years" because it's not true.

We've NOT all known that and the statement is false. Some have that opinion but millions of Americans don't. Personally I believe there are certain things where the Left is off-track and arguably too far "left" but in many cases the Left hasn't gone far enough to the left to fix the problem.

Next is that Robert Johnson qualifies his statements by saying that this is just his opinion and not the opinion of Democrats or of the general American population. What is important is looking at what Robert Johnson uses as a basis for his opinion.

Johnson claims that President Trump deserves an A+ on the economy but most Americans don't believe that. As of June 13, 2019, 3,665 days or 10 years have elapsed since the beginning of the economic expansion we're still experiencing today. Only 1/3rd of Americans give Trump credit for that. Another 1/3rd believe that Trump inherited an expanding economy and give Trump credit for not screwing it up and causing a recession. The last 1/3rd don't believe Trump had anything to do with it one way or another.

Johnson believes Trump is doing good with jobs and that African-Americans are benefiting by employment under President Trump. That sounds good until you look at the facts. The black male unemployment rate it still roughly double to unemployment rate for white men and black women have lost ground when it comes to their unemployment rate relative to whites. The wage inequality between blacks and whites has increased since Trump took office so even if a black person gets a job they're receiving less real income under Trump. Lower income groups are earning more money but that's not due to Donald Trump. They're making more money because of Democrats raising the minimum wage in many of the states.

What we have here is a typical billionaire with a very uninformed opinion about how the economy is affecting the American people.
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Please correct the statement "We've all known the left has gone extreme and drifted more and more that way the past few years" because it's not true.
hmmmm, well, It is pretty much true.


Bill Maher to Dems: ‘Get Out Of Woke-ville, Go Where The Votes Are’
“See what’s going on in Mullet Town,” the comedian urged liberal presidential candidates
Likely to the annoyance of many on the left, Bill Maher volunteered to coach-up the 2020 Democratic presidential field during his New Rules segment on HBO’s Real Time on Friday night.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-ville-843328/

Bill Maher calls political correctness 'a cancer on progressivism'
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...ism-forwarding

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...d_hate_it.html

Have Democrats gone too far to the left?
Some Democrats are worried that the progressives are pushing the party too far to the left. CNN's Miguel Marquez reports.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSQUCGTEIMc

Rubenstein Concerned About U.S. Debt, Says Democrats Have Moved Too Far Left
Jun.27 -- David Rubenstein, Carlyle Group co-founder and host of "The David Rubenstein Show: Peer-to-Peer Conversations," discusses his concerns about the U.S. economy with Bloomberg's Erik Schatzker at the Aspen Ideas Festival in Aspen, Colorado, on "Balance of Power."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0yf4P09B6Q



Howard Schultz: (former starbucks CEO) "Democrats Are Too Far Left"
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...e-too-far-left

CNN Panel: Have Democrats Gone Too Far To The Left?
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ft+gone+to+far


Democrats, beware: We are leaning left too far
By Former Gov. Ed Rendell (D-Pa.), opinion contributor — 11/02/18 09:00
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...g-left-too-far

Jimmy Carter warns Democrats: Don't veer too far left, scare off moderates
The former president offered caution about the consequences should his party "move to a very liberal program, like universal health care."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...r-left-n908771


Biden family sounds warning – Dems moving too far left
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bide...g-too-far-left

...Seriously. Look at the major campaign themes rising to the top of the list thus far. A promise to raise taxes, which would choke off the economic growth that's lifted the U.S. economy up off its back and brought minority unemployment to record lows. The abolition of the U.S. immigration service, making the United States borderless. Medicare for all to replace the failed Obamacare, at a cost, according to one recent report, exceeding $32 trillion over ten years. A prohibition on plastic guns made by 3D printers, when plastic guns are already illegal. And a ban on straws.

The New Frontier it ain't. Democrats who love Jack Kennedy and Franklin Roosevelt and Hubert Humphrey and Bill Clinton, or at least what remains of them, are shaking their heads in disbelief. At a time when a strong, centrist message would create the most difficult environment possible for suburban Republicans to win re-election, the party has lurched to the left so badly its prescriptions for what ails us defy belief.

It's not your father and mother's democratic party anymore. It's a Bernie Sanders party, enlivened by the activism of young people who think the promise of a free college education and the forgiveness of student loan debt are the most important things the federal government can do.Unlike the 60s radical, who they see as their antecedents and whose tactics they employ with increasing frequency, they're motivated by self-interest rather than altruism....
Not to mention the blind and arrogant embracing, celebration of and over-protection of LBGTxyzism. And demonization and sometimes criminalization of Tradition (Christian) POVS being lived out in public life.

so yes, too far is something many moderates and democrats are talking about.
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I've been thinking about the Democrats and the "move to the left" and found something that may be of interest. In 1970 we had income inequality in the United States and since then that income inequality has grown dramatically worse. That would make any remedy to it become more extreme because the inequality is greater today than it was in the past.

We have a lot of issues and problems in America that have grown worse in the last 50 years or that we weren't even aware of 50 years ago. All of those would require a greater effort to correct today which could be translated as the "fix" becoming more "extreme to the left" that would attempt to correct the problem.

So has the "left" really moved more to the left or have the problems to be fixed become more of a problem requiring more intervention to fix over time?
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I've been thinking about the Democrats and the "move to the left" and found something that may be of interest. In 1970 we had income inequality in the United States and since then that income inequality has grown dramatically worse. That would make any remedy to it become more extreme because the inequality is greater today than it was in the past.

We have a lot of issues and problems in America that have grown worse in the last 50 years or that we weren't even aware of 50 years ago. All of those would require a greater effort to correct today which could be translated as the "fix" becoming more "extreme to the left" that would attempt to correct the problem.

So has the "left" really moved more to the left or have the problems to be fixed become more of a problem requiring more intervention to fix over time?
So what? The Constitution purports to give all Americans the OPPORTUNITY to pursue their dreams, but does NOT guarantee an outcome. The fact that this point is foreign to you shows how out of touch you are with reality and how much you long for the Soviet method of making everyone equally miserable.
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I've been thinking about the Democrats and the "move to the left" and found something that may be of interest. In 1970 we had income inequality in the United States and since then that income inequality has grown dramatically worse. That would make any remedy to it become more extreme because the inequality is greater today than it was in the past.

We have a lot of issues and problems in America that have grown worse in the last 50 years or that we weren't even aware of 50 years ago. All of those would require a greater effort to correct today which could be translated as the "fix" becoming more "extreme to the left" that would attempt to correct the problem.

So has the "left" really moved more to the left or have the problems to be fixed become more of a problem requiring more intervention to fix over time?
if the ONLY more extreme thing were it's "fix" to income inequality, then folks would say that. but the "more extreme" left leaning is across the board... where demonstratively things have not gotten worse.

Concerning income inequality, the fact is your right the uber-rich are richer. and the middle class is shrinking.
however the problem with the the left is that's it's "fix" is worse than the problem.
It's proposed solutions play into the hands of the Uber-Rich who will ultimately control the gov't that's supposed be "fixing" the problem.
socialism/fauxcommunisim just trades one group of oligarchs for another.
the left's knee jerk overreaction to wealth inequality is passionate but IMO extremely misguided.
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I would be willing to bet a rather large portion of dem voters feel that way.....

Pandering to the lowest denominator gets old after decades when the working middle class gets ignored....

A lot of dems are tired of focusing on about 15% of their voters for issues that are not as important to the silent majority....

I didn't vote for any democrat in the last presidential election and don't see anyone worthy at this point....
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Of courser, we can discuss 50 sub-topics in this, but I'd like to focus on one in particular...

I (and many others) have seen that the Democrat Party has substituted "worship of religion" to "worship of government"...(I, even once, had the idea of ironically calling the Senate Minority Leader "Cardinal Schumer")...

Of course, government being a religion, in the Left's eyes, MUST mean that they feel they have an obligation to dictate the rules of this religion to the unwashed masses...

...and for the last couple of years, I have been getting increasingly annoyed with Democrats arguing every situation by using the term "moral"...

Health Care not a right in the Constitution?...Just say we have a "moral obligation" to do it anyway...

Passed and signed laws that say we are to control the borders?...Just say we have a "moral obligation" to pretend those laws don't exist...

Take from the successful and redistribute that wealth to the unsuccessful?...You know it..."moral obligation"...

Even gun control???...Take a guess...

Even though there's no actual basis to impeach Trump, multiple Libs have simply come out said "We have a "moral obligation" to do so anyway...

It's a tactic, much like calling someone a racist, meant to end all debate...If you disagree, then you are now IMmoral...This adds to the reasoning why the Left believes anyone who doesn't step in line with their policies are simply evil...

Thirty years ago, Liberals mocked the "Religious Right" for trying to shut down entertainment when they claimed it was the "moral" thing to do...

And NOW they are doing the same thing...

The Religious Right used to call for bans of comedians like Andrew Dice Clay for lewd language?...Now the Left will shut down any comedian that doesn't conform to their ideology. (Jerry Seinfeld admitted he won't do college campuses for this very reason...and he's the least lewd out of the bunch)....

The Religious Right used to protest bands and musicians because of their vulger displays of machoism and sexism...Now the Left will protest bands and musicians because they like Trump...

"If you don't like what you see, then change the channel or don't buy a ticket!" used to be the Left's dogma...Now they demand channels remove their content and all tickets be destroyed...They've become what they once disdained and ridiculed...

And just like the Religious Right, the Left believes this "power" comes from a higher plane...Only the government has been substituted for God...
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