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Old 06-30-2019, 12:44 PM
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IMO they all lost. What campaign strategist engineered the lets all raise our hands declaring that we will give health care to all illegals? Present and future. Then they did it again declaring for open borders.

The winner is clearly President Trump. Both the present and future President Trump.
There were conditions in the several different proposals related to health care for undocumented immigrants like they had to pay for the coverage.

There was never a proposal for "open borders" although all but two supported repeal of the criminal statute against unlawful entry into the United States. There's good reason for this because the Trump administration is unjustifiably using this law that results in family separation and atrocities being committed against migrant children held in US custody.

The repeals of the criminal law against unlawful entry, that's being abused as a part of the Trump policy to prevent lawful immigration by refugees into the United States, has nothing to do with actually deporting an undocumented person from the United States.

The Trump administration is blocking a refugee apprehended by the CBP from applying for asylum prior to the criminal prosecution for the unlawful entry. The prosecutors misrepresent US law to the defendant and coerce them into pleading guilty to the misdemeanor crime of unlawful entry that provides grounds for deportation. Then ICE uses the guilty plea to detain the refugee forcing the child separation after they finally allow the refugee to file for asylum.

If the refugee is allowed to apply for asylum first that would provide grounds for deferred prosecution on the misdemeanor charge of unlawful entry until after the final adjudication of the asylum request. If asylum is granted it makes the unlawful entry violation moot.

Of course all of this is avoided if the refugee is allowed to apply at a US port of entry but President Trump is blocking that means of lawful entry into the United States for refugees.

How President Trump can be declared the winner after he backed the GOP effort to take away health insurance from 30 million Americans and how he's abusing the law against unlawful entry that results in atrocities being committed against immigrant children is beyond my means of comprehension.
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A good case can be made that Beto O'Rourke was a serious loser in this debate--at least, among those who appeared onstage.

I just believe that Tom Perez appeared petty and churlish in this matter, by appearing to want to marginalize FNC.
It wasn't Tom Perez marginalizing FNC. The debate was an NBC exclusive broadcast negotiated between NBC and the DNC so no other news channels were able to broadcast it. It has nothing specifically to do with FNC.
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It wasn't Tom Perez marginalizing FNC. The debate was an NBC exclusive broadcast negotiated between NBC and the DNC so no other news channels were able to broadcast it. It has nothing specifically to do with FNC.
But just why was that the case?

Here is a hint: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dnc-d...b0ffefe3b4a053

And NBC--especially its affiliate, MSNBC--is far more left-leaning than FNC.
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The biggest loser in the debates, knowing that one of these idiots would be nominated by their party for the highest office in the land, was the American people! The prospect that one of the communists in waiting could potentially win the presidency should scare every American that is capable of rational thought.
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It wasn't Tom Perez marginalizing FNC. The debate was an NBC exclusive broadcast negotiated between NBC and the DNC so no other news channels were able to broadcast it. It has nothing specifically to do with FNC.
The fact that DNC chair Tom Perez has explicitly banned FNC/Fox from hosting or broadcasting any of the 10 scheduled debates is conveniently ignored instead Democrats rush into half witted rationalizations for censorship. Democrats love to pose as great champions of a free press acting as an adversarial counterbalance to government abuse of power. But wait, that's only a pretense for attacking Republicans. The precious Democrat Presidential nominee contenders must be coddled by sympathetic party operatives posing as journalists even if that means they miss out on exposure on the most popular cable news channel.

Watch the FNC moderators aggressively question then candidate Donald Trump during the first Republican presidential nominee debate in 2015. It's easy to see why Tom Perez is terrified of the prospect of having the Democrat clown car of candidates exposed by FNC journalists.

Democrats idea of an objective media is NYT senior WH correspondent Glenn Thrush fired by Politico after it was revealed he was literally allowing Hillary's campaign manager to edit his reportage.
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No, Fox News is primarily responsible for marginalizing Fox News.
We know that all lefties got their marching orders when Obama told them to stop listening to Fox news and AM radio. It scares liberals to death when there are opinions other than the ones manufactured for the MSM.

You can tell they are manufactured because they all use the same focus group words and narratives for every issue that they try to con people into believing.
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