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I am very disappointed in the third-grade-type taunts of both President Trump and former Vice-President (and now presidential candidate) Joe Biden, toward each other.

Here is just a sampling of them:

Joe Biden is "a low-IQ person."--Donald Trump, speaking of Joe Biden.

Donald Trump "does everything to separate and frighten people."--Joe Biden, speaking of Donald Trump.

Joe Biden is "a loser."--Donald Trump, speaking of Joe Biden.

Donald Trump is "literally an existential threat."--Joe Biden, speaking of Donald Trump.

I could go on and on; but you surely get the point...
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Oh please. "Incendiary rhetoric" is the nature of political campaigns. These guys are not running for High School Student Council.

Since the time of the Founders, great men who collaborated on the document we all trust with our lives as the greatest compact ever, personal insults and brutally were employed to beat each other up.

At least neither Trump or Biden appear to be, As Yet, illegally weaponizing the bureaucracy to influence the outcome.


We The People need to elect people who are tough enough, smart enough, and proven accomplished, to do the job they are seeking. "Nice and Polite" or even "civility" need not be part of the job description.
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I am very disappointed in the third-grade-type taunts of both President Trump and former Vice-President (and now presidential candidate) Joe Biden, toward each other.

Here is just a sampling of them:

Joe Biden is "a low-IQ person."--Donald Trump, speaking of Joe Biden.

Donald Trump "does everything to separate and frighten people."--Joe Biden, speaking of Donald Trump.

Joe Biden is "a loser."--Donald Trump, speaking of Joe Biden.

Donald Trump is "literally an existential threat."--Joe Biden, speaking of Donald Trump.

I could go on and on; but you surely get the point...
Except Biden is ready and willing to kiss the asses of the "welfare for all" imbeciles.
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Except Biden is ready and willing to kiss the asses of the "welfare for all" imbeciles.
Which alone would be a vast improvement over the current guy kissing Kim Jong Un's ass.
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Oh please. "Incendiary rhetoric" is the nature of political campaigns. These guys are not running for High School Student Council.

Since the time of the Founders, great men who collaborated on the document we all trust with our lives as the greatest compact ever, personal insults and brutally were employed to beat each other up.
Perhaps in the latter part of the eighteenth century--or even the early part of the nineteenth century--this sort of incivility (or even worse) may have been the norm. But within my lifetime (beginning in 1948), it certainly has not been. And I would not want it to be, either.
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Perhaps in the latter part of the eighteenth century--or even the early part of the nineteenth century--this sort of incivility (or even worse) may have been the norm. But within my lifetime (beginning in 1948), it certainly has not been. And I would not want it to be, either.
You would be wrong then. The only Presidential Campaign not filled with personal nasty was the one that placed Gerald Ford in the office.

https://www.history.com/news/histori...ential-insults
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Histor...6FC20D212E401#

Mine began in 1947 and I seem to remember it differently. From Kennedy on it was nasty. Civility was perhaps the face upon campaigns for those who didn't really pay attention until November came by. But again I state, civility a false straw man argument. Mostly promoted by the Republicans. It is not a requirement for the office.
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Which alone would be a vast improvement over the current guy kissing Kim Jong Un's ass.
I don't give the red-headed stepchild any leeway on that either, so you can chortle away to your heart's content over the "vast improvement".

Diplomacy is out the window with the Chinese monkeys.
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Which alone would be a vast improvement over the current guy kissing Kim Jong Un's ass.
You poor thing. Trump's negotiating approach is just too subtle for you. He talks about how well he is getting along with other world leaders but then insists on advancing US interests. Because the Resistance mindset requires absolute hatred for all things Trump his talking about a warm relationship with the so-called enemy is kissing butt.

After years of the US neglecting North Korean nuclear weapons development Un was firing off long range missiles in tests to demonstrate their capability to threaten US allies in the region and possibly the US mainland. Trump met Un's provocative actions and bellicose rhetoric with strong words of his own and a more restrictive sanctions regime. Kissing butt indeed. After Un made historic gestures of reconciliation to the South Korean government Trump agreed to meet with him in an historic summit. Both sides reached a broad agreement. At the second summit the North Koreans were up to their old trick of offering meaningless concessions for partial sanctions relief. Trump ended the summit a day early with no sanctions relief. No kissing up to the North Koreans but Orange man bad requires Trump be condemned.

Of course when Obama made nice with the death to America Iranian theocracy lifting sanctions for an incredibly one sided deal the Iranians contemptuously refused to sign and coddled the Cuban dictators with a sweetheart trade deal that subsidizes their brutally repressive government it was diplomacy.
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You would be wrong then. The only Presidential Campaign not filled with personal nasty was the one that placed Gerald Ford in the office.

https://www.history.com/news/histori...ential-insults
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Histor...6FC20D212E401#

Mine began in 1947 and I seem to remember it differently. From Kennedy on it was nasty. Civility was perhaps the face upon campaigns for those who didn't really pay attention until November came by. But again I state, civility a false straw man argument. Mostly promoted by the Republicans. It is not a requirement for the office.
Interestingly, we are almost the same age; so, presumably, we have fairly similar memories.

I am not speaking about mere "campaigns." This is not a "campaign" year.

As for a lack of civility after JFK (who was assassinated in 1963), the fact is that Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill--a conservative Republican and a liberal Democrat--got along very well, according to all that I am told.

But I really do not wish to limit this to just Donald Trump. I also spoke of the nastiness of Joe Biden. Somehow, that seems to be entirely lost upon those who believe that nothing critical should ever be said about Donald Trump.

Well, I call balls and strikes as I see them--and not according to the possible effects thereof.

In other words, I much prefer critical analysis over blatant partisanship.

Does anyone really have a problem with that principle?
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Diplomacy or whatever one wants to call it, no world leader has the "luxury" of kissing any dictator's butt, when the dictator squishes his own people flat on a daily basis.
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