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Old 06-03-2019, 12:54 AM
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Good question Mr. Trump!
And considering Obama was never impeached, the answer is, obviously, "no"...
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That was not my premise at all. I didn't say stopping illegal immigration was the problem, but the use of tariffs as an economic weapon. If you're going to be that dishonest, don't bother replying.

What I am saying is that using tariffs to try to halt illegal immigration is not only useless, but possibly counter-intuitive if your goal is to reduce illegal border crossings. Not only does this do nothing to discourage some family from wherever impoverished or oppressive nation from making the journey to the United States, hurting another nation's economy and reducing employment may push some people to immigrate who otherwise may haven't had the need or desire to, legally or not. You want more Mexicans crossing the border? Attack Mexico's economy.

Furthermore, tariffs don't just hurt Mexico, they hurt us. The 5% tariff allegedly capping at 25%, if Mexico doesn't somehow ban all migrants from entering the US, doesn't come out of Mexican trade, it comes directly out of the pockets of the Americans who pay for it when the additional cost on imports is passed on to the consumer. This and the Chinese tariffs are really needless tax hikes on Americans, the fruits of a poor negotiator.

Again, this isn't opposing stopping illegal immigration nor is this some denial of national sovereignty (WTF?). I'm just pointing out the flaws in using tariffs as a method to deter illegal immigrants.
Mexico acts as a land bridge for the central American countries supplying the vast majority of people crossing our Southern border illegally. Their government ignores their very restrictive immigration laws to allow illegals to cross Mexico's southern border of 180 miles, transit the length of the country some 1,200 miles, and creates a hands off lawless zone on Mexico's northern border. The Mexican government has done little to address these problems for decades. Why should they? The top two sources of foreign exchange for Mexico are illegal drugs and remittances, money send back home by legal and illegal immigrants back home.

Tariffs on Mexican imports may not be the ideal solution to attack the problem but neither is the indifference of previous administrations and the stubborn intransigence of Democrats to even negotiate reforms to US laws acting as a magnet to illegal immigration, realistic border security, and interior enforcement of our immigration laws. It's likely even if the Democrats suddenly agreed to begin rational negotiations for reforming US immigration laws it would still be necessary to press Mexico to reduce or eliminate the pipeline delivering illegals to the US border and to clean up the staging zone for smugglers crossing into the US.
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If you're going to be that dishonest, don't bother replying.
I think that is the very first time in any forum that I have been accused of being "dishonest."

But if that is what you truly believe, then please feel free to place me on "Ignore"...

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Not only does this do nothing to discourage some family from wherever impoverished or oppressive nation from making the journey to the United States, hurting another nation's economy and reducing employment may push some people to immigrate who otherwise may haven't had the need or desire to, legally or not.

This shows either blatant ignorance or disingenuousness.


We do not allow migrants from other countries simply because of those countries' economic conditions.

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You want more Mexicans crossing the border? Attack Mexico's economy.
Again: either ignorance or disingenuousness.

Most people crossing our southern border, illegally, are not Mexicans. Rather, they are Central Americans.

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Furthermore, tariffs don't just hurt Mexico, they hurt us. The 5% tariff allegedly capping at 25%, if Mexico doesn't somehow ban all migrants from entering the US, doesn't come out of Mexican trade, it comes directly out of the pockets of the Americans who pay for it when the additional cost on imports is passed on to the consumer. This and the Chinese tariffs are really needless tax hikes on Americans, the fruits of a poor negotiator.
I will grant you that it is, at best, a questionable idea to hit both Mexico and China, simultaneously, with tariffs. If only one of these countries were the subject of tariffs, then the American consumer could go to the other for low-priced goods.

From your wording, however (i.e. "a poor negotiator"), I get the idea that you are simply a Never Trumper--rather than a serious political analyst.

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Again, this isn't opposing stopping illegal immigration nor is this some denial of national sovereignty (WTF?). I'm just pointing out the flaws in using tariffs as a method to deter illegal immigrants.
Theoretically, at least, it is possible to enforce national sovereignty some other way.

I am not quite sure, however, just what that way might be.

What would you suggest? (After all, from your reply, I would assume that you do wish to enforce our national sovereignty, some way or another.)
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I sure hope they get these trade deals done quick. Unfortunately I have lost a considerable amount in a couple of our Tech stocks. Micron and Square.....

Both were doing really well for the last two years.
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I believe I saw that 87 percent (or about seven-eights) of all these people are illegal.
Actually, that is not entirely correct: What is correct is that 87 percent of those scheduled for hearings, to determine the legitimacy of their (respective) asylum claims, do not show up for court, according to the Department of Homeland Security.
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