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I heard an interesting take on Nancy Pelosi's conundrum, as regarding President Trump, on Outnumbered this morning. Essentially, it was this: Nancy Pelosi has been walking a tightrope, as her hard-left base deeply wants him impeached; yet that is--she knows--contrary to Democrats' best interests.

However, what with Robert Mueller's elucidation, today, as regarding his own report--plus a Republican defection recently (the libertarian--and quite iconoclastic--Justin Amash)--it may now be increasingly difficult to stay on that tightrope.

Personally, I hope that the Democrats do impeach--as I have mentioned previously, Donald Trump would never be convicted by the Senate (which would require a two-thirds supermajority). And the backlash against the Democrats would surely hurt them in the 2020 elections.

The counter-argument, of course, is that it would energize their base. And it would surely succeed in doing that.

But it would also turn off independents.

And I believe that the latter is of greater consequence.

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I frequently see people making the argument that pursuing impeachment will hurt the Democrats, but there is no real evidence to support that argument, and the results of the Nixon and Clinton impeachment efforts belie that claim.
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Too bad libs don't put as much effort into bettering our country as they do pursuing crack-induced conspiracy theories.
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I frequently see people making the argument that pursuing impeachment will hurt the Democrats, but there is no real evidence to support that argument, and the results of the Nixon and Clinton impeachment efforts belie that claim.
Lie...

Shhhh! Dem leaders don't want to say 'impeach.' Bill Clinton's case explains why.

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By planting the impeachment flag, Republicans believed they were motivating their core voters to turn out on Election Day. They were also calculating that Democrats, demoralized by their president's reproachful behavior, would end up sitting the election out.

Instead, the House GOP's embrace of impeachment activated those Democratic voters, who showed up on Election Day in numbers large enough to defy history. Not since 1822 had a White House party gained ground in the sixth year of a presidency; but on Nov. 3, 1998, Bill Clinton's Democratic Party picked up five seats in the House.

Stunned Republicans looked for answers, and within days Gingrich was overthrown as speaker.
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Impeachment hearings would be the worst kind of circular firing squad for Dems. The hearings would have a very slim chance of an indictment by the House and zero chance of a conviction in the Senate and a 100% chance of President Trump claiming total vindication from a witch hunt conspiracy by Dems in every campaign speech he gives. Aside from energizing the far left base, who were going to vote D anyway, there is zero upside and much downside to impeachment hearing. Nancy Pelosi may be a far left whackadoodle but she knows this and is too politically savvy to let impeachment get any real traction.
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PLUS, there are many secrets aka/corruption by people in both parties that they do NOT want coming to light. Trump doesn't play by their rules and I think they are deathly afraid of what could come out about them aka the haters.
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The impeachment of Clinton, on far less serious grounds than the information we have about Trump’s malfeasance, had a very short-lived impact on Republican prospects and no measurable impact on the next presidential election. Republicans didn’t lose any Senate seats in 1998 and retained their House majority. It’s also worth noting that the actual impeachment vote and Senate trial of Clinton occurred after the 1998 mid-terms, and as I’m sure you know, the Republicans won the presidency in 2000 against Clinton's reasonably popular Vice President.
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Only that Trump winning the presidency is a 100 percent certainty, if the Democrats take a dump on themselves with their impeachment puppet show.

Right now, I see Trump's chances of winning the election at 98.92 percent. My algorithm may be off by maybe .70 points.

Also, I think Pelosi is going to wind up kicking her own ass either way.
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Right now, I see Trump's chances of winning the election at 98.92 percent. My algorithm may be off by maybe .70 points.
Really? Gotta disagree. If Biden wins the lib nomination I think he beats Trump. I say that because Trump's win over Pantsuit was a huge upset. Upsets usually don't happen twice. Plus, the hatred toward Trump by the left will cause them to turn out to the polls in record numbers.

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Really? Gotta disagree. If Biden wins the lib nomination I think he beats Trump. I say that because Trump's win over Pantsuit was a huge upset. Upsets usually don't happen twice. Plus, the hatred toward Trump by the left will cause them to turn out to the polls in record numbers.

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Biden will be forced to drop out. Wait for it.
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