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Knowing how important it is to Trump supporters to get to the truth without just reading the "fake news" in the media I've located the secret link to the Washington Post's Fact Checker of Donald Trump's false and misleading statements just for you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.9f1169593090

Now you can use the Post's own database to disprove the statement that Trump's made over 10,000 false and misleading statements. Go in and personally count them or find one on the Washington Post's list that isn't a lie or false statement. Go look for yourself so you don't have to depend upon anyone's say-so about it. When you find that evidence please share it with us.

Yes, I recall Clinton's perjury and he was impeached for a single false statement made on a deposition in the Paula Jones sexual harassment deposition. "I didn't have sex with that woman." Who could forget that famous lie by Bill Clinton? This was about a personal matter that had nothing to do with our government and for it Clinton was impeached. The Senate, after reviewing the articles of impeachment, determined that the offense related to a personal issue and didn't rise to the level warranting removal from office.

Donald Trump has lied hundreds of times about issues effecting our national security placing the United States at great risk. A bit more important than lying about a blowjob, don't ya think?

So should we use the Clinton impeachment as a guideline and impeach Donald Trump so that the Senate can review the lies by Donald Trump that places the United States at great risk with our enemies?
Sorry, the House by a super majority voted to impeach President Clinton for lying under oath to a grand jury. It was only the second time in our history a President has been impeached. Your personal opinion minimizing Clinton's impeachment for dishonesty doesn't outweigh the fact a super majority of the House thought the offense grave enough to remove him from office.

The OP purports to list the most dishonest Presidents but doesn't list the President impeached for lying under oath as the most dishonest. Instead the Resistance media's constant braying allegations of Trump's lies are cited as more important for national security or offensive to the faux morality of Joe Biden's wife prompting him.

Again if we go by objective criteria rather than the desired of the Resistance lynch mob, Bill Clinton by virtue of his impeachment ought to be the most dishonest President.
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Sorry, the House by a super majority voted to impeach President Clinton for lying under oath to a grand jury. It was only the second time in our history a President has been impeached. Your personal opinion minimizing Clinton's impeachment for dishonesty doesn't outweigh the fact a super majority of the House thought the offense grave enough to remove him from office.

The OP purports to list the most dishonest Presidents but doesn't list the President impeached for lying under oath as the most dishonest. Instead the Resistance media's constant braying allegations of Trump's lies are cited as more important for national security or offensive to the faux morality of Joe Biden's wife prompting him.

Again if we go by objective criteria rather than the desired of the Resistance lynch mob, Bill Clinton by virtue of his impeachment ought to be the most dishonest President.
The House merely establishes the foundation for whether a president should be removed from office but does not have the authority to judge the evidence and actually remove the president from office. No one has disputed that Clinton lied under oath but the Senate made the determination that the crime committed did not warrant removal from office.

That's why Americans have a serious problem with the actions of AG Barr related to the Mueller Report. Barr was limited in responding to the Mueller Report as to whether there was evidence to support an indictment and prosecution for obstruction of justice and not whether the President was guilty or not guilty of obstructing justice. The evidence in ten different cases for the indictment and prosecution of President Trump summarized by the Mueller Report was far more than would be necessary for the indictment and prosecution of anyone for obstruction.

AG Barr should have limited himself to the authority of the DOJ that only addresses indictment and prosecution because he has no authority to make a determination of guilt. Instead Barr made a determination that's reserved for the courts and a jury of "not guilty" and he did so, by his own sworn testimony, without even reviewing the evidence behind the Mueller's Report on obstruction of justice.

This is why people are demanding that AG Barr resign. He's violated his oath of office for political reasons by exceeding his authority to make a decision he had no authority to make, without even reviewing the evidence, for the benefit of President Trump.
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Sorry, the House by a super majority voted to impeach President Clinton for lying under oath to a grand jury. It was only the second time in our history a President has been impeached. Your personal opinion minimizing Clinton's impeachment for dishonesty doesn't outweigh the fact a super majority of the House thought the offense grave enough to remove him from office.
The fixation on impeachment, while noting the two cases where impeachment lead to a Senate vote that didn't result in removal from office, there's a far more serious case of impeachment where just the upcoming vote on the Articles of Impeachment lead to the forced resignation of Richard Nixon. The Articles of Impeachment for Richard Nixon are far more closely related to those that are justifiable against President Trump.

For example in Article 8 "making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States" is listed as an impeachable offense. False and misleading statements do not have to be made under oath for them to be considered a high crime or misdemeanor if the purpose of those false statements are nefarious causing harm to the interests of the United States.

10,000 false and misleading statements made to the American people have caused more than just a little harm to the interests of the United States.
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There's a lot of presidents you could mention but it's hard not to put Obama at the top of the list. Dude was a serial and pathological liar.
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The fixation on impeachment, while noting the two cases where impeachment lead to a Senate vote that didn't result in removal from office, there's a far more serious case of impeachment where just the upcoming vote on the Articles of Impeachment lead to the forced resignation of Richard Nixon. The Articles of Impeachment for Richard Nixon are far more closely related to those that are justifiable against President Trump.

For example in Article 8 "making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States" is listed as an impeachable offense. False and misleading statements do not have to be made under oath for them to be considered a high crime or misdemeanor if the purpose of those false statements are nefarious causing harm to the interests of the United States.

10,000 false and misleading statements made to the American people have caused more than just a little harm to the interests of the United States.
Oh ok, so suggesting the use of impeachment for lying, an historic fact, as a means of assessing placement on a list of most dishonest Presidents is a "fixation" . Sure we ought to bow to the subjective opinion of Resistance zealots, they aren't fixated to destroying Trump.
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