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NEW YORK INVESTIGATORS COULD 'INDICT' DONALD TRUMP WHILE HE'S STILL PRESIDENT, WATERGATE PROSECUTOR SAYS

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Earlier this month, the Southern District also issued a subpoena to Trump’s inauguration committee, to investigate several allegations. According to CNN, investigators are looking into potential conspiracy against the United States, mail fraud, wire fraud, false statement, disclosure violations and violations of laws regarding foreign contributions.

Speaking to ABC News regarding the subpoena and the ongoing investigation, former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said the Southern District probe should be more worrying to the president than Mueller's.

“This is why I've been saying for months that the Southern District of New York investigation presents a much more serious threat to the administration, potentially, than what Bob Mueller is doing," he said.
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Regardless of the outcome of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Donald Trump’s presidential campaign team’s alleged conspiring with Russia, the president may face even greater difficulties stemming from the the Southern District of New York's separate inquiry.

The Department of Justice’s guidelines, which Mueller is subject to, does not permit the indictment of a sitting president. But some former prosecutors in the Watergate scandal, which led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon, believe the Southern District of New York, for which they also worked, isn't subject to the precedent.

I’m thoroughly convinced the SDNY will make its own evaluation. They will not say that’s a department policy,” Jon Sale, a former Watergate and Southern District prosecutor, who is close with former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani who is now Trump's lawyer, told Politico in a story published Monday. “They’re obviously looking at the president, and I wouldn’t rule out that they could decide you can indict a sitting president,” he said.

Nick Akerman, who also worked on the Watergate prosecution team and was formerly a Southern District assistant attorney, characterized the investigation as very different from the one led by Mueller.

“When you combine their experience with the traditional independence of the Southern District and the reputation it has, this is like another Mueller investigation going on,” he said.

To combat Mueller’s inquiry, Trump and his legal advisers have often relied on executive privilege to protect him from indictment. But that doesn’t work with the Southern District of New York investigation, as it is looking into possible crimes outside Trump’s tenure as president.

But Giuliani told Politico that he and his client were not concerned. “The same thing will happen as has happened over the last two years with all of these things. They’ll run them down and they’ll find out the president didn’t do anything wrong. Not a darn thing,” he said.

Trump can’t run the Mueller playbook on New York feds

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For starters, they have jurisdiction over the president’s political operation and businesses — subjects that executive privilege doesn't cover.
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Even as speculation mounts that special counsel Robert Mueller might be winding down his investigation, a parallel threat to President Donald Trump only seems to be growing within his own Justice Department: the Southern District of New York.

Manhattan-based federal prosecutors can challenge Trump in ways Mueller can’t. They have jurisdiction over the president’s political operation and businesses — subjects that aren’t protected by executive privilege, a tool Trump is considering invoking to block portions of Mueller’s report. From a PR perspective, Trump has been unable to run the same playbook on SDNY that he’s used to erode conservatives’ faith in Mueller, the former George W. Bush-appointed FBI director. Legal circles are also buzzing over whether SDNY might buck DOJ guidance and seek to indict a sitting president.


The threat was highlighted when SDNY prosecutors ordered officials from Trump’s inaugural committee to hand over donor and financial records. It was the latest aggressive move from an office that has launched investigations into the president’s company, former lawyer and campaign finance practices. New York prosecutors have even implicated Trump in a crime.

Add it all up and the result is a spate of hard-to-stymie, legally perilous probes that appears on track to drag on well into Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign. SDNY stands poised to carry on Mueller’s efforts whenever the special counsel’s office closes shop, and it’s likely to draw even more attention if freshly confirmed Attorney General William Barr — who now oversees the Russia probe as DOJ head — clamps down on the public release of Mueller’s findings.
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Mueller can take credit for spawning significant parts of SDNY’s work. The two DOJ units have shared staff, witnesses and leads, and SDNY has been well-positioned to pick up anything that is outside Mueller’s primary lane of investigating collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

A Mueller referral to SDNY, for example, triggered an FBI raid on Michael Cohen's office and hotel room, according to Cohen’s former lawyer. And the fruits of that raid culminated late last year in Cohen’s guilty plea, in which the longtime Trump fixer and former personal attorney admitted in federal court that Trump directed him to make hush money payments to sway the 2016 presidential election.
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So the Nunez, Whitaker, Mueller smearing dodges may be inadequate to stymie prosecution.
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Hold the taco for a little bit, please.

I feel this merits some discussion.

How long does investigations into minutia need to continue, or multiply for that matter, before someone is willing to call it what it is? How many smoking guns with no bullets are necessary, before people with nothing but axes to grind are stopped from doing this absurdly expensive, gleeful and pathetic attempt at finding anything to pin on Trump?

I'm sure he had an unpaid parking ticket at some point, maybe a speeding ticket, paid his cable bill late, and didn't clean up his dining table at the local restaurant.

How far will they go to attempt to find something, anything, to prove their billion dollar investment in these searches was worthwhile??

The appropriate sequence starts with a crime, and then an investigation to learn the facts, it does not start with an investigation to try and find out if some crime, any crime has been committed.

I am not a Trump supporter, but the continuation of this absurdity pretty much tells me that if I have a choice in 2020 between Trump and a Democratic Candidate, the DNC will not be seeing my vote.
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Hold the taco for a little bit, please.

I feel this merits some discussion.

How long does investigations into minutia need to continue, or multiply for that matter, before someone is willing to call it what it is? How many smoking guns with no bullets are necessary, before people with nothing but axes to grind are stopped from doing this absurdly expensive, gleeful and pathetic attempt at finding anything to pin on Trump?

I'm sure he had an unpaid parking ticket at some point, maybe a speeding ticket, paid his cable bill late, and didn't clean up his dining table at the local restaurant.

How far will they go to attempt to find something, anything, to prove their billion dollar investment in these searches was worthwhile??

The appropriate sequence starts with a crime, and then an investigation to learn the facts, it does not start with an investigation to try and find out if some crime, any crime has been committed.

I am not a Trump supporter, but the continuation of this absurdity pretty much tells me that if I have a choice in 2020 between Trump and a Democratic Candidate, the DNC will not be seeing my vote.
federally and just dealing with one item obstruction of justice:

After taking office, Trump asked FBI Director James Comey to abandon the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election—which the FBI had already connected to Michael Flynn.
When Comey refused to alter course, Trump fired him.
Trump then admitted the firing was over “the Russia thing” in a televised interview.
In a tweet months later, he stated that he “had to fire Michael Flynn because he lied to the FBI”— further affirming that he dismissed James Comey in an attempt to quash the FBI’s investigation.


...then there's the The Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause
whicj prohibits the president from accepting personal benefits from any foreign government or official.
Trump has retained his ownership interests in his family business while he is in office.
Thus, every time a foreign official stays at a Trump hotel, or a foreign government approves a new Trump Organization project, or grants a trademark, Trump is in violation of the Constitution.
For example: shortly after he was sworn into office, the Chinese government
gave preliminary approval to 38 trademarks of Trump’s name. Then, in June, China approved nine Donald Trump trademarks they had previously rejected.
And every time he goes to golf at a Trump property, he funnels taxpayer money into his family business—violating the Domestic Emoluments Clause.

then there's
Conspiring with Others to Commit Crimes Against the United States, and Attempting to Conceal Those Violations
Advocating Violence and Undermining Equal Protection Under the Law
Abusing the Pardon Power
Engaging in Conduct that Grossly Endangers the Peace and Security of the United States
Directing Law Enforcement to Investigate and Prosecute Political Adversaries for Improper and Unjustifiable Purposes
Undermining the Freedom of the Press
Cruelly and Unconstitutionally Imprisoning Children and their Families
and last but not least-Violating Campaign Finance Laws
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federally and just dealing with one item obstruction of justice:

After taking office, Trump asked FBI Director James Comey to abandon the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election—which the FBI had already connected to Michael Flynn.
When Comey refused to alter course, Trump fired him.
Trump then admitted the firing was over “the Russia thing” in a televised interview.
In a tweet months later, he stated that he “had to fire Michael Flynn because he lied to the FBI”— further affirming that he dismissed James Comey in an attempt to quash the FBI’s investigation.


...then there's the The Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause
whicj prohibits the president from accepting personal benefits from any foreign government or official.
Trump has retained his ownership interests in his family business while he is in office.
Thus, every time a foreign official stays at a Trump hotel, or a foreign government approves a new Trump Organization project, or grants a trademark, Trump is in violation of the Constitution.
For example: shortly after he was sworn into office, the Chinese government
gave preliminary approval to 38 trademarks of Trump’s name. Then, in June, China approved nine Donald Trump trademarks they had previously rejected.
And every time he goes to golf at a Trump property, he funnels taxpayer money into his family business—violating the Domestic Emoluments Clause.

then there's
Conspiring with Others to Commit Crimes Against the United States, and Attempting to Conceal Those Violations
Advocating Violence and Undermining Equal Protection Under the Law
Abusing the Pardon Power
Engaging in Conduct that Grossly Endangers the Peace and Security of the United States
Directing Law Enforcement to Investigate and Prosecute Political Adversaries for Improper and Unjustifiable Purposes
Undermining the Freedom of the Press
Cruelly and Unconstitutionally Imprisoning Children and their Families
and last but not least-Violating Campaign Finance Laws
So exactly which of these assumptive 'crimes' require a review of his tax returns prior to his involvement as a Candidate of POTUS? None.

Any number of those are not proven crimes, they are opinions and assumptions, and false accusations.... nice try, but no. I'm even going to go so bold as to say you couldn't list which laws he supposedly violated that have been proven. With as much glee of the left has shown, do you not think that if any one of these COULD BE PROVEN, it would have been? even the ****ing unpaid parking ticket?

No, this has become an embarrassment, this ritualistic hunting for something, anything, because the twit said some crass and rude comments, and had the unmitigated gall to snatch the presidency from Clinton.
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