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Default Understanding Trump vs. Bruce Ohr: Think Russia’s top crime boss, Semion Mogilevich

This explains why Manafort is hesitant to tell the truth about tRump.

<Trump and Manafort are not the top of the international criminal enterprise.>

<In a 1-27-2011 lecture—given while Mueller was FBI director—he talked about a new kind of organized crime threatening the US.>

<Today’s mobsters have gone international.>


<They're “iron triangles” consisting of organized criminals corrupt government official, and business leaders.>

<And they pose a significant security threat.>

<They're also cornering the international market on natural gas & oil (which explains climate change denial).
They infiltrate US businesses, and try to manipulate people at the highest levels of government.>

<Motivated by greed, they sell to the highest bidder and will stop at nothing to make money.>

<Mueller explained that by 2011, the FBI was developing a long-term strategy for dismantling these enterprises, including Threat Focus Cells to target mobsters like Semion Mogilevich—who he said was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list.>

<Mogilevich— “Russia’s top crime boss”—has ties to Trump Tower.>

<Mogilevich’s operative David Bogatin bought 5 condos in Trump Tower for $6 million cash. 1,300 Trump-branded condos were sold in all cash purchases to anonymous shell companies.>

<Mogilevich got rich stealing from Russians and scamming Americans. He's also one of Russia's most powerful oligarchs.>

<Russian oligarchs, don't forget, are Manafort's buddies and clients.>

<From Manafort's guilty plea:>

<Manafort conspired with Gates and Konstantin Kilimnik to act (and acted) as an agent of the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions—the pro-Putin party—between at least 2006 and 2015.>

<Kilimnik is another Russian oligarch. Manafort's buddy.
We all know what happens to people who rat on Russian oligarchs—and do their families. I never believed Manafort, who cares about his family, was really going to rat on his Russian buddies.>

<But Mueller is confident Manafort is lying, which means Mueller knows the truth.>

< And Mueller is after something bigger (and more dangerous) than either Manafort or Trump.>


< Manafort conspired with Gates and Konstantin Kilimnik to act (and acted) as an agent of the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions—the pro-Putin party—between at least 2006 and 2015.>

Kilimnik is another Russian oligarch. Manafort's buddy.
We all know what happens to people who rat on Russian oligarchs—and do their families. I never believed Manafort, who cares about his family, was really going to rat on his Russian buddies.

But Mueller is confident Manafort is lying, which means Mueller knows the truth.

And Mueller is after something bigger (and more dangerous) than either Manafort or Trump.

https://www.justsecurity.org/60528/u...on-mogilevich/
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So a "gangster's operative" used rooms at the Trump Tower...

Hmmm...

Remember when Al Capone stayed at the Lexington Hotel for three years?...That makes the hotel GUILTY!!!!!...

I hope he wasn't driving a Ford or Chevy...Don't wanna believe their in cahoots, too...
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This explains why Manafort is hesitant to tell the truth about tRump.

<Trump and Manafort are not the top of the international criminal enterprise.>

<In a 1-27-2011 lecture—given while Mueller was FBI director—he talked about a new kind of organized crime threatening the US.>

<Today’s mobsters have gone international.>


<They're “iron triangles” consisting of organized criminals corrupt government official, and business leaders.>

<And they pose a significant security threat.>

<They're also cornering the international market on natural gas & oil (which explains climate change denial).
They infiltrate US businesses, and try to manipulate people at the highest levels of government.>

<Motivated by greed, they sell to the highest bidder and will stop at nothing to make money.>

<Mueller explained that by 2011, the FBI was developing a long-term strategy for dismantling these enterprises, including Threat Focus Cells to target mobsters like Semion Mogilevich—who he said was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list.>

<Mogilevich— “Russia’s top crime boss”—has ties to Trump Tower.>

<Mogilevich’s operative David Bogatin bought 5 condos in Trump Tower for $6 million cash. 1,300 Trump-branded condos were sold in all cash purchases to anonymous shell companies.>

<Mogilevich got rich stealing from Russians and scamming Americans. He's also one of Russia's most powerful oligarchs.>

<Russian oligarchs, don't forget, are Manafort's buddies and clients.>

<From Manafort's guilty plea:>

<Manafort conspired with Gates and Konstantin Kilimnik to act (and acted) as an agent of the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions—the pro-Putin party—between at least 2006 and 2015.>

<Kilimnik is another Russian oligarch. Manafort's buddy.
We all know what happens to people who rat on Russian oligarchs—and do their families. I never believed Manafort, who cares about his family, was really going to rat on his Russian buddies.>

<But Mueller is confident Manafort is lying, which means Mueller knows the truth.>

< And Mueller is after something bigger (and more dangerous) than either Manafort or Trump.>


< Manafort conspired with Gates and Konstantin Kilimnik to act (and acted) as an agent of the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions—the pro-Putin party—between at least 2006 and 2015.>

Kilimnik is another Russian oligarch. Manafort's buddy.
We all know what happens to people who rat on Russian oligarchs—and do their families. I never believed Manafort, who cares about his family, was really going to rat on his Russian buddies.

But Mueller is confident Manafort is lying, which means Mueller knows the truth.

And Mueller is after something bigger (and more dangerous) than either Manafort or Trump.

https://www.justsecurity.org/60528/u...on-mogilevich/
Months ago now, Manifort put me in mind of a charachter from the Godfather book. This guy was so scared of what worse could happen to him that he took it in the mouth (after his clenched teeth were knocked out by the owner of big Johnson) every day for seven years rather than rat on the mob.
On one hand yes Manny hopes and prays for a pardon. But we all know Trump has zero loyalties. It would have to behoove Trump to make that pardon. Plus it all depends on what Trump's blackmailers or thug daddies wish for Paul Manifort.
Sp to say Manifort (70 years old now facing 19-24) is just looking for a pardon under those circumstances is absurd.
This makes sense because there are always crooks in any evolution of society. Unfortunately our society therefore the world has chosen to create mega billionaires. Some are benevolent but it follows some will also be organized criminals.
Another thing that rolls around in my head is that some times when the propaganda machine puts something out there it is a reflection (deflection?) of what they are doing themselves. Take for instance human trafficking and pedophilia rings...
Just some thoughts but yeah, I can see this as a thing. God help us learn how to erase their power. And quickly.
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Default Re: Understanding Trump vs. Bruce Ohr: Think Russia’s top crime boss, Semion Mogilevi

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This explains why Manafort is hesitant to tell the truth about tRump.

<Trump and Manafort are not the top of the international criminal enterprise.>

<In a 1-27-2011 lecture—given while Mueller was FBI director—he talked about a new kind of organized crime threatening the US.>

<Today’s mobsters have gone international.>


<They're “iron triangles” consisting of organized criminals corrupt government official, and business leaders.>

<And they pose a significant security threat.>

<They're also cornering the international market on natural gas & oil (which explains climate change denial).
They infiltrate US businesses, and try to manipulate people at the highest levels of government.>

<Motivated by greed, they sell to the highest bidder and will stop at nothing to make money.>

<Mueller explained that by 2011, the FBI was developing a long-term strategy for dismantling these enterprises, including Threat Focus Cells to target mobsters like Semion Mogilevich—who he said was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list.>

<Mogilevich— “Russia’s top crime boss”—has ties to Trump Tower.>

<Mogilevich’s operative David Bogatin bought 5 condos in Trump Tower for $6 million cash. 1,300 Trump-branded condos were sold in all cash purchases to anonymous shell companies.>

<Mogilevich got rich stealing from Russians and scamming Americans. He's also one of Russia's most powerful oligarchs.>

<Russian oligarchs, don't forget, are Manafort's buddies and clients.>

<From Manafort's guilty plea:>

<Manafort conspired with Gates and Konstantin Kilimnik to act (and acted) as an agent of the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions—the pro-Putin party—between at least 2006 and 2015.>

<Kilimnik is another Russian oligarch. Manafort's buddy.
We all know what happens to people who rat on Russian oligarchs—and do their families. I never believed Manafort, who cares about his family, was really going to rat on his Russian buddies.>

<But Mueller is confident Manafort is lying, which means Mueller knows the truth.>

< And Mueller is after something bigger (and more dangerous) than either Manafort or Trump.>


< Manafort conspired with Gates and Konstantin Kilimnik to act (and acted) as an agent of the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions—the pro-Putin party—between at least 2006 and 2015.>

Kilimnik is another Russian oligarch. Manafort's buddy.
We all know what happens to people who rat on Russian oligarchs—and do their families. I never believed Manafort, who cares about his family, was really going to rat on his Russian buddies.

But Mueller is confident Manafort is lying, which means Mueller knows the truth.

And Mueller is after something bigger (and more dangerous) than either Manafort or Trump.

https://www.justsecurity.org/60528/u...on-mogilevich/
Manfort wouldn't make up stories about Trump so Mueller's unaccountable gang of Resistance thugs is determined to put him in prison for the rest of his life. Prosecutorial overreach and illegal tactics are nothing new for Andrew Weissman, Mueller's hand picked chief deputy, he destroyed accounting firm Arthur Anderson with a malicious prosecution before the SCOTUS unanimously overturned the conviction.

But justice isn't the goal here, it's making an example out of anyone associated with Trump. Bruce Ohr, the number 4 at the DOJ testified he kept Mueller's pit bull Weissman in the loop with the salacious lies from the Steele "research" made up by Russian counterintelligence. Weissmann was primed to attack Trump even before Mueller launched his witch hunt.

Meanwhile Democrat super lobbyist Skip Podesta who like Manafort acted as an unregistered foreign lobbyist for Ukrainian politicians as part of the firm he operated with his brother John, Hillary's campaign manager. Naturally Mueller's team is supremely uninterested in anyone so well connected.

The OP paints an Infowars style conspiracy theory of Russian oligarchs pulling the strings to manipulate Manafort and ultimately Trump. It's candy for brainless Resistance zealots. The article claims Trump sold condos to anonymous shell corporations in the middle of a screed about the evil Russian oligarchs. It's typical Resistance doublespeak, anonymous means Russian oligarchs controlling Trump.

Thanks to Trump's policies the US is now the world's largest producer of natural gas and for the first time ever a net exporter of oil. Trump has been a miserable failure in helping the Russians corner the natural gas market increasing the supply at a time when they want it reduced.

Who has strongly criticized the Germans for their decision to increase natural gas imports from Russia? Why, that Russian puppet Trump. Again, the OP presents a claim contradicted by facts.
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This explains why Manafort is hesitant to tell the truth about tRump.

https://www.justsecurity.org/60528/u...on-mogilevich/
Am I really supposed to take any of this copy and paste seriously?

You provide a link but none of what you "quote" is found there.

It is actually from a blog post which credits a Tweet from a left-wing UC Berkeley lawyer . . . .

You are so sloppy and uncaring in your copy and paste that you double up on the last six sentences -- ya proofread much?

You want to copy and paste something interesting?

Try reading this page and let's see what you think is compelling and bring back here . . .

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...ndals-exposed/

I can understand why a person like you with such low standards of intellectual integrity would decline .

Did I miss any of the stupid, juvenile emoticons you use?
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As someone who knew Bruce Ohr in college (we were classmates at Harvard), I do have to say that the picture of him created by the right-wing as some sort of deep state master manipulator is hilarious. You will never meet a more straight-laced, by the book guy than Bruce Ohr.
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When ya can't find a legit gripe 'bout Trump I guess you're forced to resort to wild conspiracy theories.
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Manfort wouldn't make up stories about Trump so Mueller's unaccountable gang of Resistance thugs is determined to put him in prison for the rest of his life. Prosecutorial overreach and illegal tactics are nothing new for Andrew Weissman, Mueller's hand picked chief deputy, he destroyed accounting firm Arthur Anderson with a malicious prosecution before the SCOTUS unanimously overturned the conviction.

But justice isn't the goal here, it's making an example out of anyone associated with Trump. Bruce Ohr, the number 4 at the DOJ testified he kept Mueller's pit bull Weissman in the loop with the salacious lies from the Steele "research" made up by Russian counterintelligence. Weissmann was primed to attack Trump even before Mueller launched his witch hunt.

Meanwhile Democrat super lobbyist Skip Podesta who like Manafort acted as an unregistered foreign lobbyist for Ukrainian politicians as part of the firm he operated with his brother John, Hillary's campaign manager. Naturally Mueller's team is supremely uninterested in anyone so well connected.

The OP paints an Infowars style conspiracy theory of Russian oligarchs pulling the strings to manipulate Manafort and ultimately Trump. It's candy for brainless Resistance zealots. The article claims Trump sold condos to anonymous shell corporations in the middle of a screed about the evil Russian oligarchs. It's typical Resistance doublespeak, anonymous means Russian oligarchs controlling Trump.

Thanks to Trump's policies the US is now the world's largest producer of natural gas and for the first time ever a net exporter of oil. Trump has been a miserable failure in helping the Russians corner the natural gas market increasing the supply at a time when they want it reduced.

Who has strongly criticized the Germans for their decision to increase natural gas imports from Russia? Why, that Russian puppet Trump. Again, the OP presents a claim contradicted by facts.
in the years before Manafort joined the Trump campaign, he’d moved $30 million of Ukrain lobbying money from foreign shell companies into the US — but he didn’t disclose this income on his tax forms, pay taxes on it, or fill out legally required disclosures of his foreign accounts. For this, he was convicted of five tax charges and one failure to declare foreign accounts charge.

once he lost his Ukrainian income after the country’s president was deposed — he tried to conjure up more cash via bank fraud. He was convicted of two counts of bank fraud.
Manafort’s vast offshore financial holdings were the basis of other charges as well. He controlled at least 14 separate foreign accounts in Cyprus and the Grenadines, and prosecutors claimed a total of more than $75 million flowed through those accounts.
you are supposed to declare foreign accounts

Manafort defrauded several US banks, by lying about his company’s finances and other matters in loan applications.
all that was in Virginia.


Then, in the District of Columbia, Manafort pleaded guilty to a broad “conspiracy against the United States” — in which he admitted unregistered lobbying and money laundering — as well as “conspiracy to obstruct justice” (his attempts to get witnesses to stick to a false story about that work). He also admitted to the truth of all the Virginia charges filed against him.

Judge Jackson ruled that Manafort did indeed deliberately lie about a $125,000 payment made on his behalf, about his contacts with Konstantin Kilimnik (his longtime Russian associate), and about another Justice Department investigation.

That investigation could be about wiki leaks. or trump obstruction. or something we don't know about yet.

march 13 is when he gets sentenced in DC. the VA sentencing isn't set yet.

So they didn't add anything on for not cooperating. they withdrew any recommendation of leniency (which the judges may or may not have gone with) because he continues to lie.

he was gonna get sentenced in Va anyway. helping a prosecutor might have spared him the full DC sentence and knocked the other one down quite a bit.
So he won't get any breaks now. His choice.
He is deeply involved with the big boys namely the Russian mafia who don't play.

*did trump connect his azz to a pipeline and give us more gas? we already had more n gas than any other country. I hope we are smart enough not to squander it.
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Manfort wouldn't make up stories about Trump so Mueller's unaccountable gang of Resistance thugs is determined to put him in prison for the rest of his life. Prosecutorial overreach and illegal tactics are nothing new for Andrew Weissman, Mueller's hand picked chief deputy, he destroyed accounting firm Arthur Anderson with a malicious prosecution before the SCOTUS unanimously overturned the conviction.

But justice isn't the goal here, it's making an example out of anyone associated with Trump. Bruce Ohr, the number 4 at the DOJ testified he kept Mueller's pit bull Weissman in the loop with the salacious lies from the Steele "research" made up by Russian counterintelligence. Weissmann was primed to attack Trump even before Mueller launched his witch hunt.

Meanwhile Democrat super lobbyist Skip Podesta who like Manafort acted as an unregistered foreign lobbyist for Ukrainian politicians as part of the firm he operated with his brother John, Hillary's campaign manager. Naturally Mueller's team is supremely uninterested in anyone so well connected.

The OP paints an Infowars style conspiracy theory of Russian oligarchs pulling the strings to manipulate Manafort and ultimately Trump. It's candy for brainless Resistance zealots. The article claims Trump sold condos to anonymous shell corporations in the middle of a screed about the evil Russian oligarchs. It's typical Resistance doublespeak, anonymous means Russian oligarchs controlling Trump.

Thanks to Trump's policies the US is now the world's largest producer of natural gas and for the first time ever a net exporter of oil. Trump has been a miserable failure in helping the Russians corner the natural gas market increasing the supply at a time when they want it reduced.

Who has strongly criticized the Germans for their decision to increase natural gas imports from Russia? Why, that Russian puppet Trump. Again, the OP presents a claim contradicted by facts.

The point of the article is that Russian organized crime has Manifort over the barrow in an attempt get him to keep quiet. Any attempt to address that would be greeted with an answer to yer rambling post.
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The point of the article is that Russian organized crime has Manifort over the barrow in an attempt get him to keep quiet. Any attempt to address that would be greeted with an answer to yer rambling post.
My comment debunked the theory of Russian oligarchs threatening Manafort. You are simply resorting to your usual tactic of feigning incomprehension.

The threat to Manafort is Mueller's lynch mob not some hidden hand of Russian oligarchs. The former is objective fact while the latter is conspiracy theory speculation.
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