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Old 02-13-2019, 10:56 PM
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Virtually everyone knows America has a big illegal immigration problem. But we also have a legal immigration problem: Current U.S. immigration policy is not serving the best interests of America. Is there a way to protect American citizens and still welcome newcomers to our shores? Reihan Salam offers an insightful solution.
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Switching to a merit based immigration system and cutting off the chain migration of relatives who are not spouses or minor children is what most conservatives who are not open border advocates have been advocating for. This isn't a new idea. Even a RINO like Trump has advocated for it. I don't think you will get the Nancy Pelosis, George Bushes, Lindsey Grahams, and Chuck Schumers out there to agree to that. Its a good idea but restrictions should be put in place so that companies can't do what Disney did. Legal immigrants shouldn't be used so that companies can hire cheaper workers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/u...lacements.html
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Switching to a merit based immigration system and cutting off the chain migration of relatives who are not spouses or minor children is what most conservatives who are not open border advocates have been advocating for. This isn't a new idea. Even a RINO like Trump has advocated for it. I don't think you will get the Nancy Pelosis, George Bushes, Lindsey Grahams, and Chuck Schumers out there to agree to that. Its a good idea but restrictions should be put in place so that companies can't do what Disney did. Legal immigrants shouldn't be used so that companies can hire cheaper workers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/u...lacements.html
When the company I work for brings in J-1 Visa Students for our high season (tourist area) we are REQUIRED to pay them the going rate for the position, follow all labor laws, pay overtime, etc.

I don't know who Disney was using, but obviously they never checked up on their people.
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Any person who crosses our borders for any reason other than a few days of tourism should be here because we need them, not because they need us.

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Switching to a merit based immigration system and cutting off the chain migration of relatives who are not spouses or minor children is what most conservatives who are not open border advocates have been advocating for. This isn't a new idea. Even a RINO like Trump has advocated for it.
The family unit is the basic unit of society and it includes the parents, grandparents, bothers and sisters and eventually the grand children of the family.


For the last three years I took care of my mother that was in her nineties. Had I been an immigrant to the United States that would not have been possible if parents of the immigrants were not given preferential treatment for immigration. How many Republicans today that are taking care of their elderly parents would like to be denied that ability to care for them? That's what removing the preferred status for parents involves. Brothers and sisters provide mutual support for each other and that's no dependent upon what age they are when their parents might immigrate to America. There's the family bond of trust that's often most notable with two siblings start an enterprise together.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the "family" immigration policies established under Ronald Reagan that includes the primary applicant for immigration with their minor children and then priority immigration for parents and other children of the primary immigrant.

Republicans like to claim they support "family values" unless, of course, the family isn't a white protestant family from Western Europe.

There's nothing wrong with a merit system per se but there was a lot wrong with the Cotton-Purdue merit system. The immigration act introduced by Cotton-Purdue was a purely racist anti-immigration act. First and foremost it cut legal immigration in half. It ended family based and diversity based immigration. Then is applied a nefarious merit system that resulted in the taking of jobs from Americans and giving them to immigrants.

Money and education cannot be the basis for the merit system. If it is then it suppresses American jobs and educational achievements.

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I don't think you will get the Nancy Pelosis, George Bushes, Lindsey Grahams, and Chuck Schumers out there to agree to that. Its a good idea but restrictions should be put in place so that companies can't do what Disney did. Legal immigrants shouldn't be used so that companies can hire cheaper workers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/u...lacements.html
The last "open border" politicians I'm aware of were Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and George Washington all of which stated at one time or another that there should never be government control of immigration. It was intentional that the US Constitution never delegated the authority to the Congress to control immigration because to the founders the control of immigration was a fundamental violation of the Right of Liberty of the person.

Today's Democrats don't support open borders. That's a myth created by Republicans. The official position of the Democrats on immigration is contained in their 2016 Presidential Party Platform.

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The Democratic Party supports legal immigration, within reasonable limits, that meets the needs of families, communities, and the economy as well as maintains the United States’ role as a beacon of hope for people seeking safety, freedom, and security.
https://democrats.org/wp-content/upl...C_Platform.pdf

Certainly not an open border policy and it's based upon principles that we should all probably agree upon. The most interesting question is why don't Republicans support immigration policies based upon this criteria?

I've been unable to locate a similar policy statement by Republicans so we don't have an actual clue about what the foundation for immigration reform would be based upon except that under Trump it's all about preventing anyone that's not a Western European Protestant White Person from immigrating to the United States. As former Attorney General Jeff Sessions once stated he endorsed the immigration status that resulted from the Immigration Act of 1924 that closed the final loopholes so that immigration was fundamentally to white Protestants from Western Europe.
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Republicans like to claim they support "family values" unless, of course, the family isn't a white protestant family from Western Europe.
I wish the racist horseshlt about white protestants from Europe would cease.
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The family unit is the basic unit of society and it includes the parents, grandparents, bothers and sisters and eventually the grand children of the family.
The Adult children and grandparents should not be eligible for chain migration.Your sob story is irrelevant because if you are a foreigner then coming to this country is privilege not a right.



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Republicans like to claim they support "family values" unless, of course, the family isn't a white protestant family from Western Europe.

Nothing but lies by lib-tards who falsely claim republicans are racist.


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The last "open border" politicians I'm aware of were Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and George Washington all of which stated at one time or another that there should never be government control of immigration. It was intentional that the US Constitution never delegated the authority to the Congress to control immigration because to the founders the control of immigration was a fundamental violation of the Right of Liberty of the person.
When our founders were around there was no foodstamps, welfare, free public schools, Medicade, medicare and other tax payer funded assistance programs.


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Today's Democrats don't support open borders. That's a myth created by Republicans. The official position of the Democrats on immigration is contained in their 2016 Presidential Party Platform.


https://democrats.org/wp-content/upl...C_Platform.pdf

Certainly not an open border policy and it's based upon principles that we should all probably agree upon. The most interesting question is why don't Republicans support immigration policies based upon this criteria?

I've been unable to locate a similar policy statement by Republicans so we don't have an actual clue about what the foundation for immigration reform would be based upon except that under Trump it's all about preventing anyone that's not a Western European Protestant White Person from immigrating to the United States. As former Attorney General Jeff Sessions once stated he endorsed the immigration status that resulted from the Immigration Act of 1924 that closed the final loopholes so that immigration was fundamentally to white Protestants from Western Europe.
People who support amnesty/legal status for illegals, sanctuary cities, benefits for people here illegally, oppose border walls( and falsely claim they do not work or immoral ), driver's license for illegals, business licenses for illegals and other things for illegals are encouraging more illegal immigration and therefor are open borders.
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Any person who crosses our borders for any reason other than a few days of tourism should be here because we need them, not because they need us.

We cannot sustain being the world's mommy.
The J-1s that come to work for us, are usually Romanians. What they make in a week here, they usually make in a month there. We are talking college student level engineers, physicists, and high finance. Working for us, they make their nest egg to move forward in life, experience America, and some have applied for extended Visas.

We need them because there just aren't enough people to fill the positions we have. It's not the rate of pay, we are paying high on the scale, there's just so many 'summer' jobs available to the entry level people in this area, that we steal employees at the same speed they get stolen from us.
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The family unit is the basic unit of society and it includes the parents, grandparents, bothers and sisters and eventually the grand children of the family.


For the last three years I took care of my mother that was in her nineties. Had I been an immigrant to the United States that would not have been possible if parents of the immigrants were not given preferential treatment for immigration. How many Republicans today that are taking care of their elderly parents would like to be denied that ability to care for them? That's what removing the preferred status for parents involves. Brothers and sisters provide mutual support for each other and that's no dependent upon what age they are when their parents might immigrate to America. There's the family bond of trust that's often most notable with two siblings start an enterprise together.
So if my parents moved to some foreign country, then needed to be taken care of in their old age, you feel that foreign country should just open their doors and bypass their immigration policies to let me in?

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with the "family" immigration policies established under Ronald Reagan that includes the primary applicant for immigration with their minor children and then priority immigration for parents and other children of the primary immigrant.
Why should extended families get priority, other than your opinion?

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Republicans like to claim they support "family values" unless, of course, the family isn't a white protestant family from Western Europe.
As a member of that group, among others, your statement is OFFENSIVE.

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There's nothing wrong with a merit system per se but there was a lot wrong with the Cotton-Purdue merit system. The immigration act introduced by Cotton-Purdue was a purely racist anti-immigration act. First and foremost it cut legal immigration in half. It ended family based and diversity based immigration. Then is applied a nefarious merit system that resulted in the taking of jobs from Americans and giving them to immigrants.

Money and education cannot be the basis for the merit system. If it is then it suppresses American jobs and educational achievements.

The last "open border" politicians I'm aware of were Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and George Washington all of which stated at one time or another that there should never be government control of immigration. It was intentional that the US Constitution never delegated the authority to the Congress to control immigration because to the founders the control of immigration was a fundamental violation of the Right of Liberty of the person.

Today's Democrats don't support open borders. That's a myth created by Republicans. The official position of the Democrats on immigration is contained in their 2016 Presidential Party Platform.


https://democrats.org/wp-content/upl...C_Platform.pdf

Certainly not an open border policy and it's based upon principles that we should all probably agree upon. The most interesting question is why don't Republicans support immigration policies based upon this criteria?

I've been unable to locate a similar policy statement by Republicans so we don't have an actual clue about what the foundation for immigration reform would be based upon except that under Trump it's all about preventing anyone that's not a Western European Protestant White Person from immigrating to the United States. As former Attorney General Jeff Sessions once stated he endorsed the immigration status that resulted from the Immigration Act of 1924 that closed the final loopholes so that immigration was fundamentally to white Protestants from Western Europe.
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I wish the racist horseshlt about white protestants from Europe would cease.
Then you should have addressed Jeff Sessions endorsement of immigration policies based upon the Immigration Act of 1924 that closed the final hole in our immigration laws so that only white Protestant Western Europeans were allows to immigrate to the United States. By 1924 at what is commonly believed to be the height of the KKK's national political power our immigration laws had virtually eliminated all non-whites and non Protestants from immigrating to the United States.

Talk to Trump that objects to immigrants from the S-Hole countries of Africa and from Haiti because they're not "white" people. Trump that objects to Muslims being allowed to immigrate to the United States. Trump that objects to Hispanic refugees being allowed into the United States. Refugees have had the highest priority for immigration into the United States since the end of WW II. We even have special immigration laws for refugees that separate them from regular immigration policies.

I'm more tired of the "horseshlt about white protestants from Europe" than probably anyone else on this forum. The difference is that I address that crap from our politicians and those politicians are overwhelmingly Republican politicians but Trump is the Leader of the Pack.
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