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As concerning the vast majority of issues, I am entirely onboard with the Trump agenda. However, there is one major exception: the president's upcoming (and second) meeting with Kim Jong-un.

There is practically a zero chance that Kim Jong-un will ever destroy all of his existing nuclear missiles--he apparently sees them as necessary for his political survival--and, absent the total dismantling of the DPRK's nukes, together with the absolute verification that they are not building any more, there is really nothing to talk about.

I think we need serious confrontation here, not mere appeasement.

The president should tell Kim that he may feel free to send missiles our way, if he wishes. Kim could no doubt destroy a few major American cities--after which, all of North Korea would be destroyed.

Kim would be left to ponder the ancient question: Yes, we can--but then what?
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There is practically a zero chance that Kim Jong-un will ever destroy all of his existing nuclear missiles
I agree...at the moment...

But keeping an open channel and continuing dialogue MAY change that in time...

The Cold War lasted decades...Thank God we didn't give up after a few years...
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As concerning the vast majority of issues, I am entirely onboard with the Trump agenda. However, there is one major exception: the president's upcoming (and second) meeting with Kim Jong-un.

There is practically a zero chance that Kim Jong-un will ever destroy all of his existing nuclear missiles--he apparently sees them as necessary for his political survival--and, absent the total dismantling of the DPRK's nukes, together with the absolute verification that they are not building any more, there is really nothing to talk about.

I think we need serious confrontation here, not mere appeasement.

The president should tell Kim that he may feel free to send missiles our way, if he wishes. Kim could no doubt destroy a few major American cities--after which, all of North Korea would be destroyed.

Kim would be left to ponder the ancient question: Yes, we can--but then what?
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I agree...at the moment...

But keeping an open channel and continuing dialogue MAY change that in time...

The Cold War lasted decades...Thank God we didn't give up after a few years...


Yeah, What's a few American cities if we can then level North Korea.
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I think we need to keep an open dialogue with N.Korea no matter how fruitless it may be at the moment. By bringing KJ to the table, he is getting a little dose of reality unlike what his generals are most likely telling him out of fear for their lives. If it can be demonstrated to him that it is futile to believe that N. Korea would ever stand a chance of all out Nuclear War, he may come to realize that working with the rest of the world would be his best bet.

And if not, we still have our military and nuclear arsenal.
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Yeah, What's a few American cities if we can then level North Korea.
I am merely pointing out that the math is not in North Korea's favor; so no rational person would trade his entire country for a few American cities.

Of course, I am assuming--perhaps fatuously--that Kim Jong-un is a "rational" person...
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I think we need to keep an open dialogue with N.Korea no matter how fruitless it may be at the moment. By bringing KJ to the table, he is getting a little dose of reality unlike what his generals are most likely telling him out of fear for their lives. If it can be demonstrated to him that it is futile to believe that N. Korea would ever stand a chance of all out Nuclear War, he may come to realize that working with the rest of the world would be his best bet.
You make a very good point as concerning North Korea's generals.

What I am afraid of, however, is that Little Kim may pretend to destroy all of his missiles--while keeping some hidden away.

That is why I am thoroughly in favor of intrusive, on-the-ground inspections--without which, any agreement is simply not worth the paper it is written on.

And the same goes for Iran, also.
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You make a very good point as concerning North Korea's generals.

What I am afraid of, however, is that Little Kim may pretend to destroy all of his missiles--while keeping some hidden away.

That is why I am thoroughly in favor of intrusive, on-the-ground inspections--without which, any agreement is simply not worth the paper it is written on.

And the same goes for Iran, also.
I agree that we need people actually on the ground verifying any commitments made by N. Korea. But we first need to get to a point where they are willing to make those commitments.
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