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Old 01-08-2019, 09:42 AM
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The major television networks said that they will provide wall-to-wall coverage of President Donald Trump's prime time address on border security on Tuesday.

NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS and Fox broadcast network all said on Monday that they had agreed to the White House's request for air time. CNN, Fox News and MSNBC will all carry the address live, as well.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ob-tw-enus-677

There was considerable debate at all of the networks because everyone is certain that President Trump is using the broadcast purely for political purposes and that he will be repeating the same lies that have been coming from him and the White House over the last couple of weeks. Some have suggested that there should be real time fact checking by those broadcasting Trump's address to the nation that could be run across the bottom of the screen while he's talking.

For example it is expected that President Trump will claim that almost 4,000 terrorist or suspected terrorists have been arrested or turned away trying to enter the United States from Mexico. The networks could prepare in advance and run the following at the bottom of the screen when Trump makes this false claim.

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There have been no arrests of any terrorists trying to enter the United States along our Southern border with Mexico, EVER.
The only terrorist arrest ever made in history for someone trying to enter the US across our border was on the Canadian border between British Columbia and Washington state.
In the first half of 2018 only six people were stopped along our border with Mexico because they were on the State Departments watch list of potential terrorists.
All of these stops were at US ports of entry.
When stopped and questioned none of those six people were determined to be terrorists.
None of the six individuals were arrested.
President Trump is lying to the American people.

The same can be true when, as anticipated, President Trump makes the false claim that there are "hordes" traveling in "caravans" to invade the United States by illegally crossing our Southern border. The networks could have to following prepared statement to run across the bottom of the screen.

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Refugees, predominately from Central America, are fleeing the extreme violence and threat in their home countries often bringing their children that are the most vulnerable to the United States to seek asylum and lawful entry into the United States that's granted under our laws.
They join together in groups typically of about 100 or more for the long journey they're making on foot for self-protection from gangs and criminals in Mexico.
Over 5,000 of these refugees are gathered in Mexico at the US border as they wait, many of them for months, to lawfully enter the United States because the Trump administration has failed to comply with our laws that require the Border Patrol to allow them to apply for asylum and to be granted one of the tens of thousands of "refugee visas" authorized by Congress so they can enter the United States lawfully in a timely manner.
The only humanitarian crisis is the danger and dire circumstances that the US places these refugees in by refusing to allow them to apply for asylum and lawfully enter the United States under the provisions of the Refugee Act of 1980 and our current immigration law.
President Trump is lying whenever he states these refugees represent a threat to the United States.

President Trump is also expected to lie about drug smuggling where overwhelming illegal drugs are smuggled into the United States in vehicles that enter the US at a port of entry.

The President will probably lie about gang members, such as members of MS-13, representing a threat of illegally crossing the US border. In 2017, if I recall correctly, only a couple dozen gang members were arrested for trying to illegally enter the United States in 2017.

Finally, both the Border Patrol and ICE are stating there isn't an emergency crisis along the US-Mexican border. Arrests and denial of entry for those attempting to enter the United States unlawfully is at it's lowest point in about 40 years. It's been going down since about 2015 as fewer and fewer people attempt to unlawfully enter the United States by crossing our border.

I fully endorse the use of real time fact checking by any or all of the networks that broadcast Trump's address to the nation (i.e. political campaign broadcast).

Democrats are requesting equal time following Trump's broadcast so they can present the truth to the American people but that won't be nearly as effective and simply pointing out when Trump is lying when he's actually expressing documented lies during his speech. The networks could even shade the screen in RED whenever Trump lies to provide more visual impact to the fact that President Trump is one of the most dishonest people in America today.
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As expected President Trump simply restated his lies and misinformation about the necessity for a border wall in his prime time address from the Oval Office actually failing to even meet the criteria for when a President is supposed to use an Oval Office speech to the American people.

Oval Offices addresses to the American people are overwhelmingly to inform the American people of truthful information related to a crisis the American people were unaware of and to unite the people. Most notable are FDR's Oval Office address following the attack on Pearl Harbor, JFK's address announcing the Cuban Missile Crisis, and George W Bush's Oval Office address after 9/11.

An Oval Office address is not about spewing political propaganda and lies to the American people. Trump isn't even competent when it comes to addressing the American people from the Oval Office.

As for his lies and misinformation the Fact Checkers were immediately reporting the misinformation and lies in his speech almost before it was over because he's been spewing the same BS now for weeks.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/68320...-a-border-wall

Both Democrats and Republicans want effective boarder security and that's not obtained by spending money on lies and misinformation. At this moment there's one person other than President Trump standing in the way of making progress at reopening the government.

Mitch McConnell needs to put the House legislation up for a vote in the Senate where it has overwhelming bipartisan support and send that legislation to Trump's desk. Force Trump to either accept it or veto it. If Trump veto's it then go back to the House and Senate for a veto-proof vote and override Trump's veto. There are enough votes for that because enough Republicans and Democrats really do want to reopen government. After the government is reopened then, and only then, is the time for Congress to address real border security measures that are cost effective.
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Default Re: Networks set to air Trump's prime time address

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As expected President Trump simply restated his lies and misinformation about the necessity for a border wall in his prime time address from the Oval Office actually failing to even meet the criteria for when a President is supposed to use an Oval Office speech to the American people.

Oval Offices addresses to the American people are overwhelmingly to inform the American people of truthful information related to a crisis the American people were unaware of and to unite the people. Most notable are FDR's Oval Office address following the attack on Pearl Harbor, JFK's address announcing the Cuban Missile Crisis, and George W Bush's Oval Office address after 9/11.

An Oval Office address is not about spewing political propaganda and lies to the American people. Trump isn't even competent when it comes to addressing the American people from the Oval Office.

As for his lies and misinformation the Fact Checkers were immediately reporting the misinformation and lies in his speech almost before it was over because he's been spewing the same BS now for weeks.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/68320...-a-border-wall

Both Democrats and Republicans want effective boarder security and that's not obtained by spending money on lies and misinformation. At this moment there's one person other than President Trump standing in the way of making progress at reopening the government.

Mitch McConnell needs to put the House legislation up for a vote in the Senate where it has overwhelming bipartisan support and send that legislation to Trump's desk. Force Trump to either accept it or veto it. If Trump veto's it then go back to the House and Senate for a veto-proof vote and override Trump's veto. There are enough votes for that because enough Republicans and Democrats really do want to reopen government. After the government is reopened then, and only then, is the time for Congress to address real border security measures that are cost effective.
It's easy to see why you seldom include links in your comments. The so-called fact checking by Leftist NPR is nothing but partisan spin in service to mindless Resistance Democrat propaganda.

Examining one of their claims to have detected a lie by the President.

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Fact check: The president is right about the total number of arrests of immigrants with criminal records that ICE has arrested over the past two years. But that number alone is misleading, because many of those of immigrants have very likely committed immigration-related offenses rather than violent crimes as the president is suggesting.

Trump has frequently pointed to sympathetic crime victims to justify his crackdown on illegal immigration. But experts say the president's rhetoric overstates the threat posed by immigrants, who tend to commit crime at lower rates than people who are born in the United States including murder and other violent crimes.
After agreeing Trump got the number of arrests right the authors go into full spin mode speculating many arrests are immigration violations. Supposedly objective fact checkers who rely on speculation as to the nature of the arrests and grant illegal aliens immunity from our immigration laws. In the rush to call Trump a liar ubiquitous crimes among illegal aliens like identity theft, a felony, are glossed over as not serious.

The rest of the so-called fact checking is the same debunked Democrat talking points and Resistance spin.
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After agreeing Trump got the number of arrests right the authors go into full spin mode speculating many arrests are immigration violations. Supposedly objective fact checkers who rely on speculation as to the nature of the arrests and grant illegal aliens immunity from our immigration laws. In the rush to call Trump a liar ubiquitous crimes among illegal aliens like identity theft, a felony, are glossed over as not serious.
Excuse me but NPR is correct.

President Obama prioritized arrests and deportations of undocumented (illegal) aliens.

Highest priority: Undocumented (illegal) aliens that committed crimes against persons or property that represented a threat to the people of the United States.

Second highest priority: Recent undocumented (illegal) aliens that had been in the United States less than two years.

President Trump abandoned the prioritization for ICE and began to arrest anyone that was undocumented including those that had been here for decades and were married to American citizens and had children American citizens. Simply being in the US without proper documentation, a minor immigration law misdemeanor, is enough for the arrest and deportation of the person under Trump even when the person is waiting for an immigration court to schedule a hearing that could grant the person permanent residency.

One significant problem that Trump's created is that while President Obama prioritized based upon the number of people that could reasonably be addressed under our immigration laws without prioritization ICE has arrested so many law abiding long term undocumented aliens that they've flooded the immigration courts. Obama left Trump with 500,000 people waiting to be processed through the immigrations courts and Trump has added another 250,000 on top of that and really backlogged the courts.

The rest of the fact checking is also true.

90% of all drugs smuggled into the United States come in hidden in vehicles that enter at a US border crossing. A wall doesn't stop any drug smuggle.

There is a problem with an uptick in illegal crossing of the border, and all of those illegal crossings are of concern, but there's a difference because the increase is due to refugees often with children that showed up at a US port of entry but were not allowed to apply for asylum and to be allowed into the United States lawfully. There's currently a backlog of something like six or seven thousand refugees, many that have been waiting for months, that under our laws should have been allowed to apply for asylum and lawfully enter the United States within days of showing up at a US port of entry.

The problem is the failure of the Trump administration to allow lawful immigration into the United States and that's causing the humanitarian crisis for refugees stuck on the Mexican side of the border.

Eliminate the backlog of thousands of refugees that are to be legally allowed into the United States and then let's look and see if there's any problem.

Trump is also causing a humanitarian problem in the US were refugees, in desperation, are entering the United States unlawfully to apply for asylum are being treated like common criminals. Under the law they should be allowed to apply for asylum and released into the United States with a temporary visa that lasts until their immigration status is adjudicated because they're not criminals. Instead they've been locked up in detention facilities that fail even the most minimal humane standards and their children taken from their arms and imprisoned somewhere else. Our detentions facilities that are supposed to be used for detaining unlawful aliens that are criminals are over-flowing with non-criminals.

Trump did mention that several border security improvements, supported by expert analysis, were submitted to Congress and Congress has voted to fund those improvements. Trump's "Wall" was not among those proposals.

In a real sense there is a crisis and it's a crisis related to legal immigration, not illegal immigrant andDonald Trump is the reason for that crisis. As long as Trump refuses to allow the refugees to apply for asylum in a timely manner and enter the United States lawfully in compliance with our laws that crisis will continue.
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