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Old 01-05-2019, 11:59 AM
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Can't remember if there's a thread 'bout general border wall discussion. If there is just move this one.

Is Trump right? Can he legally do the wall on his own without Congressional approval just by declaring a national emergency?

Will be interesting to see.

Trump says he can build the border wall without Congress approving it — here's how

President Donald Trump said to reporters on Friday that he had the power to declare a national emergency in order to get his promised border wall under construction as Democrats continue to stonewall his project.

Trump responded to a question from a reporter about the possibility of going around Congress to get his wall built.

"Have you considered using emergency powers to grant yourself authorities to build this wall without congressional approval?" the reporter asked.

"Yes I have," responded the president, "yes I have, and I could do it if I want."

"So you don't need congressional approval to build the wall?" asked the reporter.

"No," Trump answered. "We could use them, absolutely, we could call a national emergency because of the security of our country, absolutely. We can do it, I haven't done it, I may do it, I may do it."

"But we can call a national emergency and build it very quickly," he explained.

"And it's another way of doing it," Trump added, "but if we can do it through a negotiated process, we're giving that a shot.

"So is that a threat hanging over the Democrats?" the reporter followed up.

"I never threaten anybody," the president responded, "but I am allowed to do that, yes. Called a national emergency."

Trump spoke to the media after a two hour meeting with Democratic leaders about the partial shutdown of the government that was going into a third week.

Trump called the meeting "very very productive," while newly elected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said that it grew "contentious" at times. Neither signaled that they were willing to back down in order to end the shutdown.

Democrats in the House passed a budget bill that contained no funding for the border wall, in a challenge to the president's ultimatum. He has said that he will not sign a bill unless it funded the project.

NBC News reporter Julia Ainsley said that the administration was "working out the details" on how the president could go around Congress to build the wall.

A senior admin official tells me lawyers from Pentagon, DHS and White House are "working out the details" over how the president could declare a national emergency to use DOD to build his wall, bypassing Congress.
— Julia E. Ainsley (@JuliaEAinsley) January 4, 2019

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Pelosi called the wall, "immoral." I sh*t you not. Can a lib please explain to me how a border wall is, "immoral?"
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i think the national emergency act puts some limitations and checks and balances that prevent a president from just declaring national emergencies willy nilly.
not so sure this would hold up.
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i think the national emergency act puts some limitations and checks and balances that prevent a president from just declaring national emergencies willy nilly.
not so sure this would hold up.
Yeah def need more info.

Here's 2 possibilities I saw on the news.

10 U.S. Code § 2808 - Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency

10 USC 284: Support for counterdrug activities and activities to counter transnational organized crime
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Here's another article discussing the legal possibilities of declaring a national emergency and getting funding.

Fact check: What's a 'national emergency,' and can Trump declare one to get his wall?

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But legal experts said Trump could find surer footing by using "un-obligated" money within the Defense Department's budget, because federal law allows the military to fund construction projects during war or emergencies. A Pentagon spokesman said in December 2018 that Title 10 of the U.S. Code could give the military the authority to fund border barrier projects under certain circumstances.
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"The Department of Defense has funds in its account that are not specifically designated for anything. Congress gives them money and says we don't know what’s going to happen over the next year — here’s 100 billion," Harvard Law School Professor Mark Tushnet told NBC News, guessing at an approximate funding amount.

“My instinct is to say that if he declares a national emergency and uses this pot of unappropriated money for the wall, he’s on very solid legal ground,” he added.

Vladeck said those legal codes do allow construction projects, but they were conceived to let the military build structures during war when there wasn't time for a Congressional appropriation, for instance, and it’s unclear how much money is available.

"DoD has a big pile of money for military construction, the question is whether DoD would use that money and might even cancel other construction projects just to build the wall,” Vladeck said, noting that funds can become "un-obligated” if the military cancels other projects.

At the end of the day, however, Vladeck said, much of what Trump can do may depend on how it plays in the political arena.
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If Trump declares a national emergency and succeeds in bypassing Congress to build the wall, it will be the equivalent of the president declaring Marshall law and the end of this country as we know it.
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Not shocking. Except for the lib extremists, most peeps want a wall and border security. Hell, even libs, deep down, want it. They just don't want it now because Trump is for it. When Obama was POTUS libs were all in favor of a wall. But a Republican is in office so they oppose it.

If ya told libs Trump was in favor of oxygen they'd hold their breath until they passed out.

Americans want border security, and the numbers show it

President Trump is far from alone in his determination to secure our borders — according to a recent Gallup poll, Americans view immigration as the second-biggest problem facing the country today.

That’s bad news for the Democrat Party, which is hellbent on opposing the president’s efforts to fix our broken immigration system, especially the border wall he needs in order to get illegal immigration under control.


The Democrats have a very simple, two-part strategy on immigration: first and foremost, they want to keep President Trump from fulfilling his promises to the American people; second, they want to make it even easier for foreigners to enter this country illegally.


With Democrats now in control of the House of Representatives, it’s no surprise that Americans are deeply troubled by the immigration crisis.

Over the past several decades, millions of illegal immigrants have successfully evaded our efforts to enforce immigration laws, putting local economies and welfare programs under tremendous pressure to cope with the massive influx of undocumented workers and their families, most of whom receive at least one form of government welfare.

In fact, illegal immigration costs taxpayers a staggering $134.9 billion a year while contributing only $19 billion in state, federal, and local taxes. At the federal level, medical costs make up the lion’s share of government expenditures on illegal immigrants, while education is the largest single expense that illegal immigration imposes on state and local governments.

Sadly, an overloaded welfare state is not the only negative side-effect of our broken immigration system. Communities across America are also being devastated by the violent crime and drug trafficking that result from our failure to control the border — an issue Donald Trump has addressed repeatedly and emphatically ever since he first announced his candidacy for president.

Rather than letting obstructionist Democrats in Congress prevent him from addressing the immigration problem, the president has exercised his executive power to make progress on the issue wherever possible.

Thanks to the president’s diplomatic approach, for instance, the U.S. and Mexico have virtually achieved synergy on immigration, developing a joint strategy to tackle the root causes of mass migration. In response to urging from the Trump administration, Mexico is also offering incentives to deter migrants from illegally crossing the U.S. border, as well as agreeing to house asylum-seekers on its territory while their claims are processed by U.S. authorities.

President Trump has done everything in his power to strengthen immigration enforcement on our side of the border as well, even sending the military to reinforce our brave border patrol agents when a caravan of thousands of migrants threatened to overwhelm their resources.

By taking a firm stand on border security, the president is doing exactly what the people elected him to do, as Gallup’s polling confirms.


Politicians in Washington simply can’t continue to ignore the significant problems with our immigration system, and the voters know it. The Democrats now have a clear choice — they can either listen to the American people who overwhelmingly oppose illegal immigration and work with President Trump to secure the border, or they can continue to play political games in the midst of a national crisis. May they choose wisely.
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Did you read the poll cited Hairy?

That doesn't at all indicate that Americans support or oppose Trump's specific immigration polices, much less "the libs". Missed by a mile.
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Multiple surveys that actually pertain to the subject show that Americans aren't very supportive of Trump's stupid wall, nor do they consider it a priority worth funding, nor do they like how Congress and the president are handling the Trump Shutdown.

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President Donald Trump insisted again Thursday that there’s “so much support” his border wall. But polls contradict him.

“The people of our country want it,” Trump declared at a surprise appearance in the White House briefing room Thursday to plead for the wall.

“I have never had so much support as I have in the last week over my stance for border security ... or, frankly, the wall or the barrier. I have never had anything like it in terms of calls coming in, in terms of people writing in and tweeting. I’ve never had this much support,” he added.

Trump was apparently referring to personal calls he has received. Neither the White House switchboard nor the call-in phone line to leave recorded comments is functioning because of the government shutdown. “We apologize, but due to the lapse in federal funding, we are unable to take your call,” a recorded message on the switchboard states.

But no poll has found that a majority of Americans support the wall or funding for the wall, or see it as a priority.

A Quinnipiac poll of 1,147 voters reached on landlines or cell phones from Dec. 12-17 found that 54 percent of respondents opposed the wall and 43 percent supported it. A Harvard CAPS/Harris online survey of 1,407 registered voters conducted Dec. 24-26 found that 56 percent of those surveyed did not support a wall, while 44 percent did.

Just 35 percent of those surveyed supported including money for the wall in a federal spending bill, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll of 2,440 adults conducted online Dec. 21-25.

More than two-thirds of Americans don’t think the wall should be a priority, according to a poll of 1,075 adults by NPR, PBS News Hour and Marist. That poll was conducted Nov. 28-Dec. 4 using live telephone interviews to reach both landlines and cell phones.

Regardless of Americans’ opinions about the wall, they’re not happy with how the government shutdown is being handled by either Congress or Trump. Just 18 percent of Americans polled say they approve of how Congress has handled the shutdown, with 60 percent disapproving, a new HuffPost/YouGov survey finds. As for Trump, 38 percent approve of how he’s handling it, and 49 percent disapprove, according to the poll.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b05c88b70798d1
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If Trump declares a national emergency and succeeds in bypassing Congress to build the wall, it will be the equivalent of the president declaring Marshall law and the end of this country as we know it.
This statement proves you are intellectually challenged. It is nothing more than a proper use of the president's authority. Unlike Obama's creation of DACA.
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