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Old 01-11-2019, 08:53 AM
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I agree with you with one exception. While I don't think it wise for the President to declare an emergency to bypass Congress, I do believe, as each day passes, the crisis will worsen. There will be a point of critical mass.

The determining crisis will either be effects of the partial government shut down both humanitarian and political OR the situation on the border itself as migrants assemble in-masse on the Mexican side creating a humanitarian nightmare for both nations. Neither is acceptable.


If the Congress won't do their job, their duty, then the Executive must act with whatever levers the Constitution and the laws of the land allow. Right now the Congress and the MSM want "WE THE PEOPLE" to blame the President for the suffering. At some point " WE THE PEOPLE" and the suffering migrants will no longer care which side to blame.

I believe, when that time comes, and it will happen very soon, this President is willing to take the heat and act. If Schumer and Pelosi cannot see that reality, they don't deserve the offices they hold. This is no longer just about a hatred of THE Donald. They are allowing the American people, and our un invited "guests," to suffer so they can create a constitutional crisis.

Schumer and Pelosi were for the wall before they were against it. Their hypocrisy is obvious. and ,,,,;

Shameful.
I mostly agree with you. However, until the situation becomes intolerable, IMO it would not be wise for Trump to declare an emergency. While I do not want it to come to that, I agree that it will if things don't change.

However, I have to maintain my principles in that the President should abide by the restrictions set forth in our Constitution. And by finding loopholes to achieve his goals might be legal, it goes against Conservative principles and should be discouraged.
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Nice posting Hairy. Jim Acosta nice a nice job of validating the existence of MSM fake news and just how it is done.
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I mostly agree with you. However, until the situation becomes intolerable, IMO it would not be wise for Trump to declare an emergency. While I do not want it to come to that, I agree that it will if things don't change.

However, I have to maintain my principles in that the President should abide by the restrictions set forth in our Constitution. And by finding loopholes to achieve his goals might be legal, it goes against Conservative principles and should be discouraged.
Declaration of a national emergency is not a loophole. It is a legal lever placed at the hands of the executive branch by Congress in 1976. It may be politically unwise to use it recklessly but it is legal to do so.

My personal "conservative" view is that we would not be talking about a wall if 30 years ago the immigration laws of the land had been more strictly enforced as we were promised it would be. Employers should not be encouraging people to come here. Neither should local and state governments. Local governments should be protecting their own citizens by co-operating in maintaining efforts of the national government to remove illegals from the country. This however they happened to have arrived un-invited.

With sanctuary cities, and now states, we are so far beyond that policy working. The wall is truly a desperate measure. It's like preventing cigarettes after the caner has metastasized. To heal the problem, internal surgery is still required.
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Declaration of a national emergency is not a loophole. It is a legal lever placed at the hands of the executive branch by Congress in 1976. It may be politically unwise to use it recklessly but it is legal to do so.

My personal "conservative" view is that we would not be talking about a wall if 30 years ago the immigration laws of the land had been more strictly enforced as we were promised it would be. Employers should not be encouraging people to come here. Neither should local and state governments. Local governments should be protecting their own citizens by co-operating in maintaining efforts of the national government to remove illegals from the country. This however they happened to have arrived un-invited.

With sanctuary cities, and now states, we are so far beyond that policy working. The wall is truly a desperate measure. It's like preventing cigarettes after the caner has metastasized. To heal the problem, internal surgery is still required.
I am not disputing that our immigration laws need to be changed. I also believe that in addition to fixing our immigration laws, we need to secure the border by whatever means necessary and that we should listen to those in charge of protecting our border as to what is required in what places.

All I am saying is that, while legal, declaring a national emergency comes with problems and I personally don't think the upside of doing so outweighs the violation of conservative principles. It may be legal to do it, but it does not make it right.
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Nice posting Hairy. Jim Acosta nice a nice job of validating the existence of MSM fake news and just how it is done.
Jimbo has become the laughing stock of the news world. He is takin' tons of heat for his ridiculous conclusion that ended up proving Trump is right and that walls do work.

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Jimbo has become the laughing stock of the news world. He is takin' tons of heat for his ridiculous conclusion that ended up proving Trump is right and that walls do work.
You could stand along many miles of the border where there are no walls or physical barriers and see no one trying to cross. That doesn't prove that a lack of walls "works" either. The bottom line is that, statistically, if you pick a random spot on the border at a random time of day, the odds of seeing anyone trying to cross illegally are almost infinitesimal. Sure, Acosta overstated the significance of what he saw, but to claim that it "proved" that "walls do work" is idiocy.
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The scumbags from the south, the drug people, the criminals, et cetera, are the main reason to have a barrier. The way to stop the "migration" of illegals into America is to stop giving them government goodies in any form that requires taxpayers' money. And announce it so.

Personally, I don't think our own scumbags here, the politicians both Democrat and Republican, and otherwise, will be willing and eager to stop any flow.

The whine about zero goodies being handed out will begin in 4...3...2...


The whine by latent racists about how racist this is will begin in 5...4...3...
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Sad when stories like this don't even surprise ya anymore.

CNN has basically become MSNBC in the credibility department. Any news network that would hire Jimmy Acosta as one of their lead news reporters isn't too worried 'bout their reputation.

San Diego station claims CNN asked for local border wall perspective, but backed off when response favored Trump
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You could stand along many miles of the border where there are no walls or physical barriers and see no one trying to cross. That doesn't prove that a lack of walls "works" either. The bottom line is that, statistically, if you pick a random spot on the border at a random time of day, the odds of seeing anyone trying to cross illegally are almost infinitesimal. Sure, Acosta overstated the significance of what he saw, but to claim that it "proved" that "walls do work" is idiocy.
Actually, history proves that walls work. Only liberal idiots doubt that fact.
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