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Old 12-29-2018, 07:44 AM
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Let me make a comparison that might help clarify what I mean.

"...Flight logs obtained by Gawker in January 2015 put Mr. O on the billionaire’s infamous jet to Sex and Pedophile Island more than a dozen times — sometimes with a woman whom federal prosecutors suspect of procuring underage sex victims for Mr. Z. (Mr Z is in the sex offender data base as a pedophile, and convicted for solicitation of prostitution, and has unrefuted court testimony of being a pedophile.) News reported Friday that records show Mr. O declined his security protection on at least five flights.
The network’s investigation reveals Mr. O flew on the Boeing 727 -known for trips to an island for sex with woman and underage girls- 26 times, more than doubling the previously reported 11 trips...."


Question: Is Mr O a pedophile or sexual abuser or in collusion with Mr Z?
He rode on a planes with, and was a known personal associate with M Z. He talked to him on the phone, had meetings with him. And Mr Z the pedophile even gave money to Mr O.. In exchange for what? one can only speculate but Mr Z's type of business didn't suffer from the influential Mr. O's action or inaction.
Mr. O is generally known as a "ladies man" and serial adulterer. Can we definitively say that Mr O is a pedophile or sexual abuser or in collusion with Mr Z?

Seems to me there's more direct evidence to show that Mr O is in "collusion" with Mr Z, than Trump is with Russia.
but in neither case can you say definitively or legally. but it does stink.
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yeah trump tried to get the investigation into flynn stopped. he even talked about why on national television.
It turns out by Comey's own words he dispatched a Trump hating FBI agent to interview Flynn not as part of a counterintelligence investigation but as if Flynn was a criminal suspect bypassing the normal process where the WH council is notified. The same FBI agent who had played a key role in Hillary's so-called exoneration took and entirely different approach with Flynn using a transcript of the transcript of his conversation with the Russian ambassador where Flynn's name had been illegally unmasked as a means to create a perjury trap.

Under Comey's leadership the FBI was conducting a campaign of political sabotage, not a counterintelligence investigation. Turns out Trump was right in asking for some form of general loyalty as in not treating the Trump administration as if they were Mafiosi and in fair treatment for Flynn. Comey delivered neither, instead he sped the same tactics used by the KGB to undermine results of an election he didn't like.
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the record of the DNC transfer rates says otherwise.
the Testimony of Wikileaks and associates says others .
If the DNC would turn over It's servers for the Gov't and Trump/the indictees/Russian defense Computer Forensic people to review. Then the evidence would come out in court.
Plus at this point, it's my understanding that the gov't only says they have strong belief that it's likely connected to Russia. Based on some details, "fingerprints", in the released data that other experts say can be faked.
Again those details can be hashed out with examination and cross examination of the evidence .... if the source files/disk/servers are available to all parties.

Why doesn't (didn't) the DNC release the servers to the FBI/NSA etc. instead of a friendly private firm? even after request. why weren't they seized? they seized Trumps lawyers computers over lesser issues than Treason. if this is Treason, international election influence at the level of "war" (as Hilary claimed) and they are so so concerned about the sanctity of our elections and justice being done the DNC and Gov't investigators and defense people should have access to the primary piece of evidence shouldn't they?

Look making our personal judgment before hand is fine, but pretending that we KNOW that Trump and Russia are guilty of collusion and treason (or not) at this point is based on the what available at this point . and IMO, RIGHT NOW, the evidence is leaning towards the view that Trump has nothing to worry about except some issues of negative appearances.
Muller has yet to prove his case(s) in court and the circumstantial evidence publicly available just doesn't merit convictions for collusion or Treason.
If some folks want to go with the, I don't like Trump, he's a low life scumbag in general plus all the people that are trying to convict him say he and others did something wrong ...therefore Trump planned/did it all... that's fine i guess.
But looking at it with the evidence and counter evidence available and a layman's understanding of the laws. It seems to me ... at this point... Trump's got nothing to worry about concerning "treason and collusion with Russia".
The transfer rate claims are bull****. Even the original source of the data admits that the metadata that shows the higher transfer rates isn't the original metadata and probably reflects a subsequent copying of the data, long after it was originally obtained from the DNC.

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The transfer rate claims are bulli****. Even the original source of the data admits that the metadata that shows the higher transfer rates isn't the original metadata and probably reflects a subsequent copying of the data, long after it was originally obtained from the DNC.
interesting.
you say "source of the data[/URL] admits that the metadata that shows the higher transfer rates isn't the original metadata and probably reflects a subsequent copying of the data, long after it was originally obtained from the DNC."

But the story says
"There is no way to use the available metadata to determine where the copying of the data was done," Ritter wrote. "In short, one cannot state that this data proves Guccifer 2.0 had direct access to the DNC server or that the data was located in the DNC when it was copied on July 5, 2016."
Scott Ritter a former Nuke inspector .
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Some reports in the media have been critical of aspects of the VIPS report, and then by implication have transferred their criticisms to the Guccifer 2.0 NGP/VAN Metadata Analysis. In the process, those reporters have demonstrated that they likely did not carefully read the Forensicator’s analysis or were not careful in making attributions. ...
"No claim is made in the report that the data might not have been copied earlier nor whether it might have been copied or leaked. ...
No claim was made in the Forensicator’s analysis that this computer was connected to a DNC server. ...
No claim was made in the analysis that the estimated transfer speed “is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack” [VIPS]. Rather the statement was “this rate is too fast to support the hypothesis that the DNC data was initially copied over the Internet (esp. to Romania)." They’re close; they differ in degree of certainty and the Forensicator added the qualifier “(esp. to Romania).""

seems to me the evidence still leave the Russia hack assertion... lacking. and the Leak a very viable option. And many members of Veteran Intel Pros for Sanity stand by their assessment of the data.
That it's impossible, UNLIKELY, LESS than likely, that the transfer came from Romania. and it More likely from a leaker.
Plus the story admits/asserts that it's ,at best, an assumption that the data did or Didn't happened at a different date.
seems that plays into the 'reasonable doubt' aspects for Russia's innocence rather than making the case against them.

And again, if the Gov't investigators and the accused parties were given direct access to the servers then some of these issues might be clarified.
Not letting the investigators have the DNC servers, And the Gov't Not seizing them anyway THAT'S BS.

At this point prosecutors have no hard evidence for collusion or Treason or even that Russia is part of the WIKIleaks email info.
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the record of the DNC transfer rates says otherwise.
the Testimony of Wikileaks and associates says others .

what testimony of wiki leaks? in a court of law? or on wiki leaks website?


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Plus at this point, it's my understanding that the gov't only says they have strong belief that it's likely connected to Russia. Based on some details, "fingerprints", in the released data that other experts say can be faked.
Again those details can be hashed out with examination and cross examination of the evidence .... if the source files/disk/servers are available to all parties.
your understanding is flawed. they know it was the Russians.
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they seized Trumps lawyers computers over lesser issues than Treason.
a federal crime of campaign financing fraud.
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if this is Treason
treason would be if there is a quid pro quo between the president and putin

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Look making our personal judgment before hand is fine, but pretending that we KNOW that Trump and Russia are guilty of collusion and treason (or not) at this point is based on the what available at this point
we do not know the end of this investigation

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. and IMO, RIGHT NOW, the evidence is leaning towards the view that Trump has nothing to worry about except some issues of negative appearances.
thats a strong matter of opinion.
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Muller has yet to prove his case(s) in court and the circumstantial evidence publicly available just doesn't merit convictions for collusion or Treason.
mueller has not concluded his investigation. others have gone to court anf jail. some are cooperating witnesses though we dont know what about because again the investigation isnt done.
the best thing trump and his supporters could do is be quiet and let the law work.
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