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A violent incident, in which members of a Trump-supporting far-right group kicked and punched people and wielded a sword on the streets of Manhattan, was captured on camera Friday, and New York Police Department confirmed that three arrests had been made in connection with the incident.
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The altercation occurred shortly after the group, which calls itself Proud Boys and is listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, held a meeting at the New York Metropolitan Republican Club.
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Before the meeting, the club had been vandalized. Fox News, in its story on the incident, seized on the vandalism to imply that Antifa might have been responsible for both acts.
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Its story, headlined “Antifa strikes again” suggested the violence and footage of a man brandishing a sword were linked with the far-left group.
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But city officials have never said the vandalism was committed by Antifa, and the man brandishing a sword in the video appears to be the founder of Proud Boys -- and one of the founders of the media company Vice -- Gavin McInnes.
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Multiple other videos and records of arrests provided to Newsweek suggest the far-right group was, in fact, involved in the violent attacks that took place on the Upper East Side of Manhattan on Friday.
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You seem even more careful of what you comprehend and quote from the source you link to; you seem to have missed where it was a group of leftists-- identified as Antifa -- who were were the instigators and that the "the three individuals arrested were anti-racist protesters and were not members of Proud Boys".

So, in reality, the leftists were the instigators of the violence and members of the leftist assault crew were the only ones arrested. That means the "violence" from the Proud Boys was actually considered self defense by the police.

Here's what you missed in your haste to be a partisan goofball:


"A spokesperson for the New York Police Department told Newsweek Saturday there were three people arrested at 3rd Avenue and East 84th Street at the time of the incident: two 20-year-olds were charged with assault and robbery, and a third individual, 35, was charged with assault, robbery and resisting arrest. No one was hospitalized. The department declined to provide more details, but public defender Rebecca Kavanagh posted on Twitter that she confirmed the three individuals arrested were anti-racist protesters and were not members of Proud Boys. . . .

After the event, photojournalist Sandi Bachom told Newsweek that dozens of Proud Boys members were escorted by police out of the building. Videos showed police trying to separate Proud Boys members from protesters who had gathered near the Republican club. Bachom, who captured the video of the fighting that appears in the YouTube video above, said it appeared the physical altercation began after what appeared to be two or three Antifa members or counter-protesters who knocked a red “Make America Great Again” hat off the head of a Proud Boys member.

In response, Bachom said the Proud Boys began "beating the **** out of them." . . .

She said police likely saw the fight because of the ongoing and nearby police escort that was being provided to other Proud Boys members. Still, Bachom said she saw no arrests of Proud Boys following the altercation."


Well, yeah Ms. "Photojournalist". . . the police don't arrest people defending themselves from physical attack.


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You seem even more careful of what you comprehend and quote from the source you link to; you seem to have missed where it was a group of leftists-- identified as Antifa -- who were were the instigators and that the "the three individuals arrested were anti-racist protesters and were not members of Proud Boys".

So, in reality, the leftists were the instigators of the violence and members of the leftist assault crew were the only ones arrested. That means the "violence" from the Proud Boys was actually considered self defense by the police.

Here's what you missed in your haste to be a partisan goofball:


"A spokesperson for the New York Police Department told Newsweek Saturday there were three people arrested at 3rd Avenue and East 84th Street at the time of the incident: two 20-year-olds were charged with assault and robbery, and a third individual, 35, was charged with assault, robbery and resisting arrest. No one was hospitalized. The department declined to provide more details, but public defender Rebecca Kavanagh posted on Twitter that she confirmed the three individuals arrested were anti-racist protesters and were not members of Proud Boys. . . .

After the event, photojournalist Sandi Bachom told Newsweek that dozens of Proud Boys members were escorted by police out of the building. Videos showed police trying to separate Proud Boys members from protesters who had gathered near the Republican club. Bachom, who captured the video of the fighting that appears in the YouTube video above, said it appeared the physical altercation began after what appeared to be two or three Antifa members or counter-protesters who knocked a red “Make America Great Again” hat off the head of a Proud Boys member.

In response, Bachom said the Proud Boys began "beating the **** out of them." . . .

She said police likely saw the fight because of the ongoing and nearby police escort that was being provided to other Proud Boys members. Still, Bachom said she saw no arrests of Proud Boys following the altercation."


Well, yeah, duuuhhhh . . . the police don't arrest people defending themselves from physical attack.


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Another version, same story.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/12/n...andalized.html

Seems the club was vandalized in the middle of the night prior to the repored incident.

And another

https://abc7ny.com/politics/ny-gop-h...eaker/4469290/

Newsweek used to be a better news agency than this.
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Newsweek used to be a better news agency than this.
A quick click-thru of the news stories on this incident show just how biased the reporting is. Of course Buzzfeed and HuffPo are the absolute worst.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...t?ref=hpsplash

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0bd9ed55a96ee


The Daily Mail kept its original headline on the URL and webpage title that it was 3 Proud Boys who were arrested after later editing the story removing the false reporting. (dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6273189/Three-Proud-Boys-arrested-fighting-protesters-outside-Far-Right-rally-New-York)


Actual link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-New-York.html

The lefties picked a fight with someone who fights back and the lefties are depicted as victims. Goddamn I really detest the media.

Oh and by the way, the names of th leftist douchebags arrested is Finbarr Slonim, 20, and Caleb Perkins, 35, both of the Upper East Side, and Kai Russo, 20, from Bushwick (Brooklyn). . .
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Setting aside, for the moment, the left's usual antipathy for Fox News:

It does seem...well, interesting...that the Southern Poverty Law Center would be treated respectfully--as if it represented America's political center--instead of being described as just what if is: i.e. as a far-left-wing organization.

It is also interesting that the quotes are cherry picked; the entire story is found only in the link itself--which many, no doubt, will not bother to read.
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You seem even more careful of what you comprehend and quote from the source you link to; you seem to have missed where it was a group of leftists-- identified as Antifa -- who were were the instigators and that the "the three individuals arrested were anti-racist protesters and were not members of Proud Boys".

So, in reality, the leftists were the instigators of the violence and members of the leftist assault crew were the only ones arrested. That means the "violence" from the Proud Boys was actually considered self defense by the police.

Here's what you missed in your haste to be a partisan goofball:


"A spokesperson for the New York Police Department told Newsweek Saturday there were three people arrested at 3rd Avenue and East 84th Street at the time of the incident: two 20-year-olds were charged with assault and robbery, and a third individual, 35, was charged with assault, robbery and resisting arrest. No one was hospitalized. The department declined to provide more details, but public defender Rebecca Kavanagh posted on Twitter that she confirmed the three individuals arrested were anti-racist protesters and were not members of Proud Boys. . . .

After the event, photojournalist Sandi Bachom told Newsweek that dozens of Proud Boys members were escorted by police out of the building. Videos showed police trying to separate Proud Boys members from protesters who had gathered near the Republican club. Bachom, who captured the video of the fighting that appears in the YouTube video above, said it appeared the physical altercation began after what appeared to be two or three Antifa members or counter-protesters who knocked a red “Make America Great Again” hat off the head of a Proud Boys member.

In response, Bachom said the Proud Boys began "beating the **** out of them." . . .

She said police likely saw the fight because of the ongoing and nearby police escort that was being provided to other Proud Boys members. Still, Bachom said she saw no arrests of Proud Boys following the altercation."


Well, yeah Ms. "Photojournalist". . . the police don't arrest people defending themselves from physical attack.


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This was not a far-right protest of something leftists had done.
this was a planned rally (nazi march like Charlottesville) by proud boys. So the vandalism by what we now think was leftists could yes have been in retaliation to that New York Metropolitan Republican Club hosted hate rally by proud boys. The New York Metropolitan Republican Club knew the proud boys would be geared up, anti-bigot groups would be geared up, yet they saw fit to go on with their ...ahem..." meeting."
All it took in this testosterone saturated environment, was someone to knock a sign over.
Then proud boys went for blood no matter whether the victim had anything to do with knocking down the sign or not.
The article is about how FoxNews lied by showing assault and batterers, and sword brandishing people as anti-bigots when in fact it was the bigots themselves who were doing the violence.
violence btw is not knicking down someone's sign, but violence is kicking and beating people.
So what do you have to say about Foxnews's lying unjournalistic pandering?
Still blaming the people who protest an obviously bigoted group that set out to provoke but actually became the perpetrators?
The arrests were unrelated to the altercations and beatings.
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This was not a far-right protest of something leftists had done.
Correct. The melee occurred after the closed door event, as attendees were leaving the building, walking on the sidewalk.

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this was a planned rally (nazi march like Charlottesville) by proud boys.
The event was a commentary / lecture by Gavin McGinnes to offer perspective on the historical context and political environment that surrounded the October 12th, 1960 assassination of the Japanese Socialist Party leader by Otoya Yamaguchi, using a samurai sword. It wasn't a "rally", it was just a speech to a small audience on the anniversary of the 1960 event.

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So the vandalism by what we now think was leftists could yes have been in retaliation to that New York Metropolitan Republican Club hosted hate rally by proud boys. The New York Metropolitan Republican Club knew the proud boys would be geared up, anti-bigot groups would be geared up, yet they saw fit to go on with their ...ahem..." meeting."
It's called "free speech" in a closed door, controlled access venue. Only the people interested in hearing the message bought a ticket -- it wasn't a "rally" in a public area, where the general population could get their feelings hurt being exposed to someone wielding a megaphone.

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All it took in this testosterone saturated environment, was someone to knock a sign over.
As attendees were leaving the venue, an anti-free speech leftist felt the need to set upon one of the attendees and try to knock the MAGA hat off his head. What's this about a sign?

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Then proud boys went for blood no matter whether the victim had anything to do with knocking down the sign or not.
Again, I haven't clue where you are getting this "knocking down the sign" stuff . . . That isn't mentioned in any of the reports I have read. An ANTIFA POS ran up to someone leaving the indoor event, trying to hit them hard enough to knock their hat off (and probably steal it).

This is just Yin and Yang, they got what they usually give other people, for Christ's sake, stop ****ing whining. What would happen if a couple proud boys ran up on a group of 30 ANTIFA POS and tried to rip off one of their face covers? Who the **** do you think you are fooling with your apologist routine for violent leftists?

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The article is about how FoxNews lied by showing assault and batterers, and sword brandishing people as anti-bigots when in fact it was the bigots themselves who were doing the violence.
LOL. The article appears to be written by two different people. The first six paragraphs appear to be written by someone from Vox or Buzzfeed while the remaining part is written straight and goes on to refute most of what was said above the still picture of McGinnes . . . Which is of course by design.

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violence btw is not knicking down someone's sign, but violence is kicking and beating people.
Unless it is self defense. And again with the knocked down sign?

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So what do you have to say about Foxnews's lying unjournalistic pandering?
I have plenty to say, pay attention . . .

This is one of those instances where a leftist "news" outlet tries to instill a belief in the stupid people who frequent the outlet -- people who only read the headline and the first few sentences and do not actually read the story.

The best part of this is the entire narrative you proffer is a lie. . .

See, the Fox story in the video and the narration is geared for people with a bit of intelligence and a working knowledge of the entities and the people in the story.

Yes, the story starts with the vandalism the night before and then moves to graphics of the leftist's threatening note as it is being read. The reading continues as the story goes to to video of the street the night of the event (46 sec mark). The people shown in the street are clearly ANTIFA or wannabe's -- their signs can clearly be read (GAVIN MCGINNES IS RACIST SCUM -- MAKE RACISTS AFRAID AGAIN).

Now here's where you (and other leftists) need to rub your eyes and open your ears . . . As the narrator begins to read the part of the ANTIFA note that speaks of the event's organizer, "the hipster fascist clown", the video switches (53 second mark) to McGinnes' car pulling up and him getting out of the car with the sword. You need to mesh what you are hearing with what you are seeing and put them together. Anyone who has been paying attention knows who McGinnes is and what he looks like and anyone who thinks that Fox was portraying him as an ANTIFA with a sword is either an idiot or disingenuous.

The writers of the beginning of the article are the latter just trying to influence the former. They know who he is, "the man brandishing a sword in the video appears to be the founder of Proud Boys . . . Gavin McInnes". They just hope their readers watch the the Fox report with the sound off or are just so dumb they can't understand when he came on screen, the Fox report identified him.


As an interesting aside, there are at least 4 police officers within arms reach of McGinnes as he's waving the sword (and one is command with the white shirt) and they (it appears) just tell him to put the katana away and get in the car and leave (which he apparently does). They don't seem at all concerned with him maintaining possession of the katana (or even him waving it around).


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Still blaming the people who protest an obviously bigoted group that set out to provoke but actually became the perpetrators?
The Russian judge gives you an 7.3 for your mental gymnastics routine.

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The arrests were unrelated to the altercations and beatings.
Correct, one of the attendees of McGiness's talk was split off and attacked by multiple leftists, he was beaten and his backpack was stolen. Three of the scumbag attackers were arrested.

Nobody was arrested in the big beatdown because we don't prosecute people for self defense, even if they are right-wingers in the leftist utopia of New York City.

I'm not ruling out that there won't be arrest warrants issued later, but that will be a product of political pressure, not probable cause or due process -- but that's how leftists roll, in the street and in city hall.


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I'm sure by now Salty will see her mistake and admit she was wrong about this one. She does not want to be a hateful partisan Liberal like the democrats masses ( mobs )

Like most lefties, Salty is a victim of the media hype and hate that is trying to tear this country apart, and in turn, blame it on Trump.
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