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This thing we commonly refer to as "The American Experiment"--has it, at last, failed?

More than 150 years ago, it appeared to have failed, when the country tore itself apart during the Civil War.

Yet it eventually recovered (albeit with a delayed healing, due to the punitive Reconstruction Era).

At present, by contrast, we do not have a shooting civil war--not yet, anyway (unless one believes that the shooting of Rep. Steve Scalise--in June of 2017--represents the beginning of such a war).

But it seems increasingly likely that this could yet occur.

The left in this country--especially the hard left--no longer believes in due process and the rule of law. In fact, it does not even pretend to.

It appears to believe, instead, in the rule of the mob.

In other words: anarchy.

No, not all liberals--especially not thoughtful ones--fall neatly into this category. Alan Dershowitz, for example--and Jonathan Turley (both top legal minds)--do not fit this mold at all.

Increasingly, however, the American left--and especially young, passionate people--seem to believe that if they cannot get their preferred way, well, then they ought to turn to mob rule.

The Bolsheviks of about 100 years ago would have been proud of them.

At any rate, it all leads we to wonder: If so many people no longer have faith in our fundamental institutions, are we really far from societal collapse--or even genuine civil war?
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I don't think we are anywhere near the end of America, but I may change my opinion after the elections in November. If Americans put the Democrats into power in both houses after their despicable performance during the Kavanaugh hearings, it may cause me to loose faith in my fellow Americans.
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This thing we commonly refer to as "The American Experiment"--has it, at last, failed?

More than 150 years ago, it appeared to have failed, when the country tore itself apart during the Civil War.

Yet it eventually recovered (albeit with a delayed healing, due to the punitive Reconstruction Era).

At present, by contrast, we do not have a shooting civil war--not yet, anyway (unless one believes that the shooting of Rep. Steve Scalise--in June of 2017--represents the beginning of such a war).

But it seems increasingly likely that this could yet occur.

The left in this country--especially the hard left--no longer believes in due process and the rule of law. In fact, it does not even pretend to.

It appears to believe, instead, in the rule of the mob.

In other words: anarchy.

No, not all liberals--especially not thoughtful ones--fall neatly into this category. Alan Dershowitz, for example--and Jonathan Turley (both top legal minds)--do not fit this mold at all.

Increasingly, however, the American left--and especially young, passionate people--seem to believe that if they cannot get their preferred way, well, then they ought to turn to mob rule.

The Bolsheviks of about 100 years ago would have been proud of them.

At any rate, it all leads we to wonder: If so many people no longer have faith in our fundamental institutions, are we really far from societal collapse--or even genuine civil war?
Define mob rule, if you would. Also, describe the far left, and how does it differentiate from the far right?

Less than 100 years ago the Nazi Party used article 48 to garner power and used violence to maintain it; Stalin and Hitler, were exactly the same in terms of governance - both demanded loyalty and used scapegoats, hate and fear as the means to keep power and control.

It can happen here.
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Define mob rule, if you would. Also, describe the far left, and how does it differentiate from the far right?

Less than 100 years ago the Nazi Party used article 48 to garner power and used violence to maintain it; Stalin and Hitler, were exactly the same in terms of governance - both demanded loyalty and used scapegoats, hate and fear as the means to keep power and control.

It can happen here.
Hitler and Stalin were both Leftists.
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Hitler and Stalin were both Leftists.
That's the BIG LIE ^^^ you've been told to believe. Only biddable people will make the statement that Hitler and Stalin are leftist. What they had in common was their despotism.

The only place one will read what you've posted is on line, every other source describe fascism as far right and communism as far left. True, they meet at the bottom of the clock face, alone with others example of the idiot fringe.
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That's the BIG LIE [that Hitler and Stalin were both leftists.]
Well, Hitler espoused Nazism.

The term "Nazi" is short for National Socialist."

Socialism--of any variety--is a function of the left.

Certainly, one may accurately describe Mussolini as a fascist--and therefore, as a part of the far right--but not Hitler.
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Define mob rule, if you would.
Although this was directed at another poster, I will take a shot at it.

I would describe mob rule as the refusal to accept the outcome of our political institutions; and the attendant desire to take to the streets, as a finger in the eye to those who support those institutions.

As an example, let us take those protesters at the Kavanaugh hearings, just last Saturday.

Prior to the confirmation vote, they had every right to be there (although they certainly had no right to try to shut down the hearings, by constantly interrupting them, as some did).

After the vote, their continued "protest" suggested a refusal to accept the results--and, by extension, a refusal to accept the validity of our political institutions.

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Also, describe the far left, and how does it differentiate from the far right?
In theory, they are very much alike.

In practice, however--in America in 2018--the far right seldom takes to the streets to display its collective voice (with the exception of the incident in Charlottesville, Virginia in August of 2017). The far left does.
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Well, Hitler espoused Nazism.

The term "Nazi" is short for National Socialist."

Socialism--of any variety--is a function of the left.

Certainly, one may accurately describe Mussolini as a fascist--and therefore, as a part of the far right--but not Hitler.
NAZI is a contraction for National Socialist German Workers Party. The Nazis constantly referred to their programs as national socialism. Key features of Nazi rule are identical to today's Progressive objectives including redistribution of wealth, superiority of certain identity groups over others, and extreme regulation of businesses. Most striking is the absolute requirement of loyalty to one party only.

Stalin emerged from the Bolshevik revolution to lead the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. As taught by Marx socialism is the transition stage to communism.
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I'm not sure why it is referred to as a "Civil War", there is nothing civil about taking up arms against your countrymen.

We are The United States of America. Perhaps a better way than a civil war would be to dissolve The United States of America. Perhaps 2 or even 3 unions based upon shared philosophy of the states. Both the right and left leaning portions of the country have all that is needed for their unions. Farmland, manufacturing centers, banking/finance, ocean ports and natural resources such as wood, minerals and oil/gas reserves. Each state could vote for their state to be in the more liberal or more conservative union. For people that don't like where their state landed, they can always move.
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describe the far left,
First identifying quality of the far left? Self-evident in your post; the ability to be purposefully obtuse just for the sake of frustrating and derailing dialogue so real motives and tactics can remain out of view, not subject to inspection and/or open for discussion.

#2 Rejecting any framework of unwavering, unchangeable principles and embracing "values" that are under constant reevaluation and subject to logically inexplicable changes in beliefs, resulting in hypocritical positions often incompatible with any measure of intellectual integrity. Such people are easily swayed and energized by emotional pleas . . .

The unavoidable outcome of #2 is the rejection of the rule of law which begets mob rule which is a premise only a purposefully obtuse person would challenge.


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