Honesty--and Brett Kavanaugh

pjohns · #1 (**permalink**) 09-29-2018, 03:36 PM

Let's just be honest, please.

The Democrats are not really concerned about Brett Kavanaugh's (alleged) sexual exploits--either now or back in high school.

That is merely a convenient tactic to try to deny the man a seat on the Supreme Court--since he would solidify a 5-4 majority of originalists there. (When Anthony Kennedy was there, it was 4-4--and Kennedy represented the "swing" vote.)

I would have much more respect for the Democrats if they would merely say--honestly and explicitly--why they truly oppose the man, rather than trying to destroy the man's character.

But some people appear to play by the principle that the end (supposedly) justifies the means...

AZRWinger · #2 (**permalink**) 09-29-2018, 05:12 PM

This article explains the Democrat strategy. It has nothing to do with a rational advise and consent process, it's all about partisan political power.

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“Saving the Supreme Court from Trump’s clutches has always involved a very complicated two-step: first, block Kavanaugh, then fight like hell to win back the Senate,” said Brian Fallon, a 2016 campaign adviser to Hillary Clinton who helped start a group called Demand Justice to fight conservative judicial nominations. “If Kavanaugh drops out, we’re halfway there. If Democrats are able to win back the Senate, we’d have a path to blocking Trump from picking any of the archconservatives on his shortlist.”

Democrats view destroying the advise and consent role of the Senate as a small price for saving the SCOTUS from Trump. Kavanaugh's destruction is just collateral damage.

As another Democrat strategist put it.

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“Democrats would have the leverage to force Trump to choose a moderate caretaker-style nominee or else could keep the seat open entirely for two more years,” he said. “The stakes of the next two weeks couldn’t be higher. If Kavanaugh is forced to bow out, the midterms could suddenly decide control of two branches of government instead of just one.”

https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproje...omination.html

pjohns · #3 (**permalink**) 10-01-2018, 04:13 PM

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“Democrats would have the leverage to force Trump to choose a moderate caretaker-style nominee or else could keep the seat open entirely for two more years,” he said. “The stakes of the next two weeks couldn’t be higher. If Kavanaugh is forced to bow out, the midterms could suddenly decide control of two branches of government instead of just one.”

From what source are we to assume that Donald Trump will serve as president for only two (actually, more than two-and-one-quarter) years?

Evidently, the Democrats are willing to hold the seat open for up to six-and-one-quarter years--plus a few weeks.

saltwn · #4 (**permalink**) 10-01-2018, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pjohns

Let's just be honest, please.

The Democrats are not really concerned about Brett Kavanaugh's (alleged) sexual exploits--either now or back in high school.

That is merely a convenient tactic to try to deny the man a seat on the Supreme Court--since he would solidify a 5-4 majority of originalists there. (When Anthony Kennedy was there, it was 4-4--and Kennedy represented the "swing" vote.)

I would have much more respect for the Democrats if they would merely say--honestly and explicitly--why they truly oppose the man, rather than trying to destroy the man's character.

But some people appear to play by the principle that the end (supposedly) justifies the means...

Let's be really honest and say both parties are not concerned about the nominee or his accusers.
further let's be brutally honest that it's playing out just as they (dems and pubs) planned.
that being the status of most people choosing a side much like in the oj trial

pjohns · #5 (**permalink**) 10-02-2018, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Let's be really honest and say both parties are not concerned about the nominee or his accusers.
further let's be brutally honest that it's playing out just as they (dems and pubs) planned.
that being the status of most people choosing a side much like in the oj trial

What in the world does the trial of O.J. Simpson have to do with this?

Dog Man · #6 (**permalink**) 10-02-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Let's be really honest and say both parties are not concerned about the nominee or his accusers.
further let's be brutally honest that it's playing out just as they (dems and pubs) planned.
that being the status of most people choosing a side much like in the oj trial

To be honest, I think everyone is afraid of women now. All a woman has to do is say sexual assault, which could mean just about anything, and the man is immediately crucified in the public arena. ( unless he is a democrat politician of course )

saltwn · #7 (**permalink**) 10-02-2018, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pjohns

What in the world does the trial of O.J. Simpson have to do with this?

just as an example of the country split on an issue that each side "knew" their opinion was correct. they stated their "evidence" for their belief he was innocent or guilty and could not (to this day) be swayed to think otherwise.

The dems and Rpubs want to move people to the polls. that's really all this hearing and its surrounding swamp is about.

saltwn · #8 (**permalink**) 10-02-2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dog Man

To be honest, I think everyone is afraid of women now. All a woman has to do is say sexual assault, which could mean just about anything, and the man is immediately crucified in the public arena. ( unless he is a democrat politician of course )

obviously that is not true or there would be more reports of attempted rape and assault reported. but that does not matter. your feelings on this just carry the torch your side has lit as my side does the same with my own assumptions.
I'm trying not to get bogged down into this soap opera. I wish everyone would turn off the tv and quit reading their favorite papers on this. dont give them an audience and watch their minds blow.

Dog Man · #9 (**permalink**) 10-02-2018, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

obviously that is not true or there would be more reports of attempted rape and assault reported. but that does not matter. your feelings on this just carry the torch your side has lit as my side does the same with my own assumptions.
I'm trying not to get bogged down into this soap opera. I wish everyone would turn off the tv and quit reading their favorite papers on this. dont give them an audience and watch their minds blow.

It happens all the time, this is just one example. The MSM will not report on it I'm sure.

https://news3lv.com/news/local/four-...s-womans-story

saltwn · #10 (**permalink**) 10-03-2018, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dog Man

It happens all the time, this is just one example. The MSM will not report on it I'm sure.

https://news3lv.com/news/local/four-...s-womans-story

yes, the msm talks about it and every other reality show to get your mind off serious issues.

msm=
msnbc
FoxNews
CNN

but also many memes and articles are generated by PACs for your reading and propaganda enjoyment. (left and right); newsletters etc
a lot of them try to and do raise money off of it
fear is their greatest money maker

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