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Old 09-27-2018, 09:28 AM
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Oh, if someone else were appointed, the left (including almost all Democrats) would find an excuse to accuse him (or her) of something else...
Most Democrats would object to anyone on the list of candidates from the Federalist Society that Donald Trump selected from because of the far-right political leaning reflected by their judicial career and opinions which is why they're on the Federalist Society's list of candidates. Note: The Federalist Society selects possible candidates based upon their history of supporting the Republican agenda and not based upon whether they're an originalist or non-originalist. That's not the issue with Brett Kavanaugh.

Brett Kavanaugh is not being accused of sexual misconduct by Democrats and sexual misconduct has nothing to do with politics.

Brett Kavanaugh is being accused of sexual misconduct by multiple women where, according to experts including prosecutors, it's extremely rare for a woman to lie about these sexual assaults. With multiple women (three identified and one anonymous) now making allegations where Kavanaugh's intoxication lead to sexual misconduct, including the allegations of premeditated gang rape of women in which both Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were involved, spanning roughly two decades the probability that one or more (probably all) of the allegations is factual is virtually certain.

Politically Democrats are objecting to the refusal of the GOP controlled Judiciary Committee to follow established precedent and to investigate the allegations.

Why has the GOP refused to have an independent FBI investigation into the allegations? That's what the FBI does on a routine basis when it comes to nominees for appointments.

Note: Some Republicans are citing the fact that Kavanaugh has been subject to six FBI background checks but ignore the fact that these background checks are sequential and except for the first background check, they're not comprehensive. The FBI has not looked into Brett Kavanaugh's background from when he was in college since his first background check that didn't uncover the issues in the allegations and has never looked into his high school history.
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So, just being accused--without even a hint of proof--is tantamount to having "a dark spot" on one's record?

Just what sort of reasoning is that, anyway?
If allowed there's actually substantial collaborating evidence, testimony from classmates, and expert opinion that supports the allegations. Senator Grassley and the GOP controlled Senate Judiciary Committee have refused to allow the FBI to investigate and refused to allow evidence, testimony from classmates, and expert opinion to be presented in today's hearing. In fact only Dr Ford is being allowed to testify before the Committee while the other accuser are being denied that opportunity.

There's not even a remote attempt by the GOP to find out the facts.
That will leave a huge dark cloud hanging over Brett Kavanaugh and the Supreme Court if he's confirmed.

Here's a quick question. Assume Kavanaugh is confirmed and then Democrats take majority control of the House and launch an investigation of the allegations. While it may never be possible to meet the standard for a criminal conviction it could be very possible to establish that the allegations are true based upon a preponderance of evidence. In shore the House could state in a conclusion with a "high degree of certainty" that Brett Kavanaugh was a serial sexual predator that engaged in unlawful assaults on women.

I would certainly hope that the standard "high degree of certainty" of sexual assaults and unprosecuted criminal acts in a person's past would prevent any nominee from being confirmed to the Supreme Court so what happens next? Impeachment of Brett Kavanaugh and removal from the Supreme Court. Or would we leave someone that with a high degree of certainty was a sexual predator that committed unprosecuted felonies on the US Supreme Court?
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Here's a quick question. Assume Kavanaugh is confirmed and then Democrats take majority control of the House and launch an investigation of the allegations. While it may never be possible to meet the standard for a criminal conviction it could be very possible to establish that the allegations are true based upon a preponderance of evidence. In shore the House could state in a conclusion with a "high degree of certainty" that Brett Kavanaugh was a serial sexual predator that engaged in unlawful assaults on women.

I would certainly hope that the standard "high degree of certainty" of sexual assaults and unprosecuted criminal acts in a person's past would prevent any nominee from being confirmed to the Supreme Court so what happens next?
Well, if we assume that Brett Kavanaugh is, indeed, guilty of sexual assault--as you have admitted that you do--why should he not be impeached now? (He is, after all, now sitting on the second-highest court in the land: the appeals court for the DC Circuit. Just how he is fit to serve on this court, but unfit to serve on the SCOTUS, remains a mystery to me. Yet--strangely enough--I have not heard even one person proclaim that he should first be denied a seat on the Supreme Court, and then stripped of his place on the DC Circuit Court. No, not one.)

Odd, huh?
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Most Democrats would object to anyone on the list of candidates from the Federalist Society that Donald Trump selected from because of the far-right political leaning reflected by their judicial career and opinions which is why they're on the Federalist Society's list of candidates. Note: The Federalist Society selects possible candidates based upon their history of supporting the Republican agenda and not based upon whether they're an originalist or non-originalist. That's not the issue with Brett Kavanaugh.

Brett Kavanaugh is not being accused of sexual misconduct by Democrats and sexual misconduct has nothing to do with politics.

Brett Kavanaugh is being accused of sexual misconduct by multiple women where, according to experts including prosecutors, it's extremely rare for a woman to lie about these sexual assaults. With multiple women (three identified and one anonymous) now making allegations where Kavanaugh's intoxication lead to sexual misconduct, including the allegations of premeditated gang rape of women in which both Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were involved, spanning roughly two decades the probability that one or more (probably all) of the allegations is factual is virtually certain.

Politically Democrats are objecting to the refusal of the GOP controlled Judiciary Committee to follow established precedent and to investigate the allegations.

Why has the GOP refused to have an independent FBI investigation into the allegations? That's what the FBI does on a routine basis when it comes to nominees for appointments.

Note: Some Republicans are citing the fact that Kavanaugh has been subject to six FBI background checks but ignore the fact that these background checks are sequential and except for the first background check, they're not comprehensive. The FBI has not looked into Brett Kavanaugh's background from when he was in college since his first background check that didn't uncover the issues in the allegations and has never looked into his high school history.
None of the allegations have been corroborated by witnesses or forensic evidence of any kind. It's simply false to claim virtual certainty of guilt in the absence of any support for the accusation.

In fact the other people the first accuser names as being present have repudiated her story. The subsequent accusers have told increasingly outlandish stories about Kavanaugh again without corroboration of any kind. The second accuser admits her memory is hazy due to the alcohol consumed. The third accuser spins a tale of organized rape so unlikely neither the NYT or WaPo could verify it.

Yes the previous FBI background checks were sequential. What that means is that each investigation built on the preceding investigation meaning an allegation of this gravity was more likely to come to light. It didn't surface until it became politically advantageous to exploit it.
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Most Democrats would object to anyone on the list of candidates from the Federalist Society that Donald Trump selected from because of the far-right political leaning reflected by their judicial career and opinions which is why they're on the Federalist Society's list of candidates.
The Los Angeles Times once opined that no one except Merrick Garland should be appointed to the High Court.

And since that is simply not going to happen under this administration, the paper is, effectively, calling for the seat to be left vacant.

It is the "resistance" at work...

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Brett Kavanaugh is not being accused of sexual misconduct by Democrats...
Really?

Have you not kept abreast of this matter?

Virtually none of the 49 Senate Democrats will vote for his confirmation--with the possible exception of red-state Democrats, who many be turned loose by Chuck Schumer, to vote as their constituents generally want, if Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation (according to a head count) is certain.

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With multiple women (three identified and one anonymous) now making allegations where Kavanaugh's intoxication lead to sexual misconduct, including the allegations of premeditated gang rape of women in which both Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were involved, spanning roughly two decades the probability that one or more (probably all) of the allegations is factual is virtually certain.
Only the hard left considers it "virtually certain" that Judge Kavanaugh is lying, whereas Dr. Ford is speaking the gospel truth...

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Note: Some Republicans are citing the fact that Kavanaugh has been subject to six FBI background checks but ignore the fact that these background checks are sequential and except for the first background check, they're not comprehensive.
Is one not enough?
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Whoaaa!

In a timeline released tonite by the Judiciary Committee, it is stated that a man was interviewed Monday who believes he is the man who committed the Ford assault. He has been called in a second time and been interviewed a second time and has made very specific statements about the incident.

Edited to add, now it is reported that two men have come forward to say they could be the responsible party . . .


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Oh Oh, the Democrats need to silence him quick!
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