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Again, Salty, I think you missed the point.
Is that your new bumper sticker?
Because it certainly conveys no communication here.
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Is that your new bumper sticker?
Because it certainly conveys no communication here.
No, but all too often it fits with certain posters here. So I'll use it when it's appropriate.
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No, but all too often it fits with certain posters here. So I'll use it when it's appropriate.
I truly wish you'd enlighten me as to what is the point as you see it.
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I truly wish you'd enlighten me as to what is the point as you see it.
Lets review:

Calls from propagandists to remove Mueller. Your post 1.

Has Dumpf been in the WH almost 2 years?
Seems like only yesterday he was talking about a reporter's menstrual cycle during campaign debates. Your post 3

When you discuss Donald trump you dare to call someone else out for class?! Lol Sweep around the master of nastiness" Your next post.

Is that your new bumper sticker? And this.

You're jumping all over the place. In a thread you started.

It's difficult to keep up. Let alone have a meaningful convo.
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Lets review:

Calls from propagandists to remove Mueller. Your post 1.

Has Dumpf been in the WH almost 2 years?
Seems like only yesterday he was talking about a reporter's menstrual cycle during campaign debates. Your post 3

When you discuss Donald trump you dare to call someone else out for class?! Lol Sweep around the master of nastiness" Your next post.

Is that your new bumper sticker? And this.

You're jumping all over the place. In a thread you started.

It's difficult to keep up. Let alone have a meaningful convo.

a reply I have answered many times in many posts. mueller is the enemy blah blah blah because fox says so:


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Yeah, Mueller's rampant corruption and conflicts of interest are leading up to the logical conclusion he ought to be replaced along with his staff of Resistance zealots.

After nearly 2 years and tens of millions of dollars combined with Mueller's seething blind hatred for Trump has produced no evidence of collusion with Russia just a toxic regime of prosecutorial misconduct. Mueller's cracked team destroyed any credibility of using Papadopoulos as an informant by charging him as a liar. Likewise the clown posse has abused Manafort to such an extent even if he starts composing stories of collusion his credibility has been destroyed by their incompetence
and other baseless comments.
So I made light of it because once again no one addresses the real matter presented here.
Which is if you look at the video, a campaign to fix the viewers' opinions against the lead investigator.
So I ask you why would they do this?
they like msn are a wing of a political party so what might be their motive?
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a reply I have answered many times in many posts. mueller is the enemy blah blah blah because fox says so:



and other baseless comments.
So I made light of it because once again no one addresses the real matter presented here.
Which is if you look at the video, a campaign to fix the viewers' opinions against the lead investigator.
So I ask you why would they do this?
they like msn are a wing of a political party so what might be their motive?
They are doing it because enough is enough. Mueller has been at this for 2 years and started with something Russian and now has turned to investigations which have nothing to do with Russia, I think he indicted 12 or 13 Russians living in Russia never believing they would show up. They called his bluff and he was forced to backtrack.

The entire investigation has gone off the rails. No Russia - Trump collusion.

An example list.

Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far? | Fox News
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They are doing it because enough is enough. Mueller has been at this for 2 years and started with something Russian and now has turned to investigations which have nothing to do with Russia, I think he indicted 12 or 13 Russians living in Russia never believing they would show up. They called his bluff and he was forced to backtrack.

The entire investigation has gone off the rails. No Russia - Trump collusion.

An example list.

Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far? | Fox News
Papadopoulos started the whole thing. He has said and his lawyer has said Trump knew the Russians were out to get foreign intelligence (from an enemy) on a political opponent which is against the law.
The Russians aren't here that he indicted as I know of. Maybe you have some different new info on that?


Some of what you see has more underlying activity that fox fails to report:
By convincing a jury that he has uncovered criminal behavior, the special counsel has likely insulated his larger probe from political threats.

And here's a different take on who M has charged and convicted and pertinent info:

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-...nce-officers-8
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a reply I have answered many times in many posts. mueller is the enemy blah blah blah because fox says so:



and other baseless comments.
So I made light of it because once again no one addresses the real matter presented here.
Which is if you look at the video, a campaign to fix the viewers' opinions against the lead investigator.
So I ask you why would they do this?
they like msn are a wing of a political party so what might be their motive?
Mueller is the enemy because he is conducting a scorched earth campaign against Trump and anyone associated with him. The Trump Russian collusion investigation was stillborn from lack of evidence so all Mueller can do is abuse his prosecutorial authority to gin up process crimes and revive a decade old tax violation. Rosenstein won't even allow the detailed charter for Mueller's inquisition to be released to the public citing you guessed it, political interference.

Please explain why defense attorneys would not use convictions for lying to cast doubt on witnesses truthfulness. How about holding an innocent man in solitary confinement? You don't think that would come up if he suddenly began to give damaging information to Trump?
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Mueller is the enemy because he is conducting a scorched earth campaign against Trump and anyone associated with him. The Trump Russian collusion investigation was stillborn from lack of evidence so all Mueller can do is abuse his prosecutorial authority to gin up process crimes and revive a decade old tax violation. Rosenstein won't even allow the detailed charter for Mueller's inquisition to be released to the public citing you guessed it, political interference.

Please explain why defense attorneys would not use convictions for lying to cast doubt on witnesses truthfulness. How about holding an innocent man in solitary confinement? You don't think that would come up if he suddenly began to give damaging information to Trump?
Q. Do you have any evidence to support your opinion on Mueller & his team's investigation.

It seems all you have are editorial comments which emanate from Fox News talking heads, and the person's engaged in defending Trump (including Trump himself).

The fact that Russia engaged in cyber warfare against democracy itself, and that people close to The President with Russian's, is clear, as are the lies told to cover up this meeting; clearly it was not about adoptions.

This alone would make the investigation of a conspiracy legitimate, as well as imperative to protect democracy in America.

Q. Why are so many (at least anonymously on the internet) writing that Mr. Mueller and his team are culpable for malfeasance.

A. [my opinion] Those who attack the Mueller Team and its efforts to understand and hold accountable American's for obstruction of justice is clearly within the scope of the Mueller Team.

If Trump&Co. were not culpable, he and his supporters would support the efforts of the Mueller Team! Why they do not is inexplicable.

Maybe AZR W will explain his motivation in attacking the messenger.
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Q. Do you have any evidence to support your opinion on Mueller & his team's investigation.

It seems all you have are editorial comments which emanate from Fox News talking heads, and the person's engaged in defending Trump (including Trump himself).

The fact that Russia engaged in cyber warfare against democracy itself, and that people close to The President with Russian's, is clear, as are the lies told to cover up this meeting; clearly it was not about adoptions.

This alone would make the investigation of a conspiracy legitimate, as well as imperative to protect democracy in America.

Q. Why are so many (at least anonymously on the internet) writing that Mr. Mueller and his team are culpable for malfeasance.

A. [my opinion] Those who attack the Mueller Team and its efforts to understand and hold accountable American's for obstruction of justice is clearly within the scope of the Mueller Team.

If Trump&Co. were not culpable, he and his supporters would support the efforts of the Mueller Team! Why they do not is inexplicable.

Maybe AZR W will explain his motivation in attacking the messenger.
Calling Mueller's inquisition a witchhunt is a conclusion drawn from a rich mosaic of supporting facts. Of the indictments, guilty pleas and convictions of Trump allies obtained by Mueller's team or Federal prosecutor puppets how many have been for conspiring with the Russians? You know the answer, zero.

In the most recent example Mueller's team was forced to submit an affidavit to the court certifying they would not present evidence of conspiracy with the Russians. Rod Rosenstein refuses to release the detailed scoping documents for Mueller's fishing expedition but it is a safe bet there is nothing in there about a decade old tax beef. Typically these types of offenses don't involve heavily armed US marshals stealing a key to the front door so they can conduct an early morning raid on a cooperating subject or locking up the accused in solitary confinement when he was rumored to have raised the grossly elevated bail.

Of course Democrat super lobbyist Tony Podesta was given more than a year before Mueller turned his case over to a puppet US attorney's office. Podesta had more than a passing relationship with Manfort during the same time Manafort was engaged in criminal activity but his brother managed Hillary's campaign while Manfort was directing Trump's. Mueller's team had to personally destroy Manafort for an unrelated crime while Podesta's case was referred to an AG's office so it can be quietly dumped down the memory hole.

Trump's team has voluntarily turned over more than a million documents to Mueller and waived privilege for Trump's personal attorney to be interviewed. Flynn and Papadopoulos submitted to interviews without an attorney to represent them. The Mueller gang didn't find evidence of a Russian conspiracy but they had to gin up charges anyway.

Despite what the Resistance tells us meeting with a Russian isn't a crime. Evidently neither is paying a foreign intelligence officer to solicit lurid fairy tales from Russian intelligence then reporting the payments as legal fees to the FEC.
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