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An Indiana man lost a 2011 case against police in Lawrenceburg, Ind., after they handcuffed him to a hospital bed and grabbed his ankles as nurses applied a catheter against his will, according to court records. Jamie Lockhard sued the city, the hospital and others after the experience. The judge ruled against him because the urine sample was court-ordered.
And to me, that's the key.
If it's court ordered, then it's valid.

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They don’t anesthetize them,” Whalen said. “There’s a lot of screaming and hollering.”
I don't know anything about catheterization. I'm not sure if this is "standard" or if possibly providing anesthesia may throw results off.
This disturbed me, but I don't know enough about the practice to draw any conclusions.

The below article does reference some anesthesia uses...
https://www.your.md/condition/urinar...#chapter-risks
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And to me, that's the key.
If it's court ordered, then it's valid.


I don't know anything about catheterization. I'm not sure if this is "standard" or if possibly providing anesthesia may throw results off.
This disturbed me, but I don't know enough about the practice to draw any conclusions.

The below article does reference some anesthesia uses...
https://www.your.md/condition/urinar...#chapter-risks
The article is from 2016.

But if it were me, I'd strap a bucket to their ass and pour water down their throat until they provided the sample. No invasion necessary.
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The article is from 2016.

But if it were me, I'd strap a bucket to their ass and pour water down their throat until they provided the sample. No invasion necessary.

What's the difference most of the crap here is a rehash of a rehash.
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And to me, that's the key.
If it's court ordered, then it's valid.


I don't know anything about catheterization. I'm not sure if this is "standard" or if possibly providing anesthesia may throw results off.
This disturbed me, but I don't know enough about the practice to draw any conclusions.

The below article does reference some anesthesia uses...
https://www.your.md/condition/urinar...#chapter-risks
I had to be catheterized after my gall bladder surgery. No anesthesia. Mildly uncomfortable. Worst part was having to let the cute young nurse handle my junk as that I'm a very very private person .

Now if I was ACTIVELY fighting her, I imagine it could have gotten very painful.
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I had to be catheterized after my gall bladder surgery. No anesthesia. Mildly uncomfortable. Worst part was having to let the cute young nurse handle my junk as that I'm a very very private person .

Now if I was ACTIVELY fighting her, I imagine it could have gotten very painful.
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And to me, that's the key.
If it's court ordered, then it's valid.


I don't know anything about catheterization. I'm not sure if this is "standard" or if possibly providing anesthesia may throw results off.
This disturbed me, but I don't know enough about the practice to draw any conclusions.

The below article does reference some anesthesia uses...
https://www.your.md/condition/urinar...#chapter-risks
I'm sorry but why is it OK if it's "court ordered"?
The real question is what's the legal and constitutional justification?
Both the police AND the court may be in constitutional violation.

This notion that,
if the go'vt (police, courts, lawmakers, presidents, officials) do it that means it's not illegal,
is not the mindset of free people with inherent rights.



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You are mistaken, the male equivalent is a prostate exam.
Truthfully, the male prostate exam may be worse than the female exam. In all reality, the female exam is done on a part of the anatomy that is designed as both an entrance and an exit whilst the male exam is done on a part of the anatomy designed as exit only but forced into entrance for the exam purpose. Fortunately, it is not typically annual for men even though it is anal.
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And to me, that's the key.
If it's court ordered, then it's valid.


I don't know anything about catheterization. I'm not sure if this is "standard" or if possibly providing anesthesia may throw results off.
This disturbed me, but I don't know enough about the practice to draw any conclusions.

The below article does reference some anesthesia uses...
https://www.your.md/condition/urinar...#chapter-risks
police shouldn't do it that's for sure. you can injure the prostate gland as well as the urethra in a man or puncture the wrong wall in a female.
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