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Old 11-18-2007, 06:29 PM
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Boston police are launching a program that will call upon parents in high-crime neighborhoods to allow detectives into their homes, without a warrant, to search for guns in their children's bedrooms.

more stories like thisThe program, which is already raising questions about civil liberties, is based on the premise that parents are so fearful of gun violence and the possibility that their own teenagers will be caught up in it that they will turn to police for help, even in their own households.

In the next two weeks, Boston police officers who are assigned to schools will begin going to homes where they believe teenagers might have guns. The officers will travel in groups of three, dress in plainclothes to avoid attracting negative attention, and ask the teenager's parent or legal guardian for permission to search. If the parents say no, police said, the officers will leave.

If officers find a gun, police said, they will not charge the teenager with unlawful gun possession, unless the firearm is linked to a shooting or homicide.

The program was unveiled yesterday by Police Commissioner Edward F. Davis in a meeting with several community leaders.

globe graphic Pilot neighborhoods in search program

"I just have a queasy feeling anytime the police try to do an end run around the Constitution," said Thomas Nolan, a former Boston police lieutenant who now teaches criminology at Boston University. "The police have restrictions on their authority and ability to conduct searches. The Constitution was written with a very specific intent, and that was to keep the law out of private homes unless there is a written document signed by a judge and based on probable cause. Here, you don't have that."

Critics said they worry that some residents will be too intimidated by a police presence on their doorstep to say no to a search.

"Our biggest concern is the notion of informed consent," said Amy Reichbach, a racial justice advocate at the American Civil Liberties Union. "People might not understand the implications of weapons being tested or any contraband being found."

But Davis said the point of the program, dubbed Safe Homes, is to make streets safer, not to incarcerate people.

"This isn't evidence that we're going to present in a criminal case," said Davis, who met with community leaders yesterday to get feedback on the program. "This is a seizing of a very dangerous object. . . .

"I understand people's concerns about this, but the mothers of the young men who have been arrested with firearms that I've talked to are in a quandary," he said. "They don't know what to do when faced with the problem of dealing with a teenage boy in possession of a firearm. We're giving them an option in that case."
Sounds good to me...

Of course there are concerns, but I don't think they override the concerns of the current situation...
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unconstitutional.
Unless it's a request. If they "request" to come in. "just say no".

My standing reply to this type of thing is to let a group of random citizens do it to all the gov't employees and the all police and all the gov't officials 1ST.
I mean, If the they've got nothing to hide what's the problem, right.
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unconstitutional.
Unless it's a request. If they "request" to come in. "just say no".
The article said it would be a request. My answer would be no.
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Agreed. This is Constitutional if they have consent of the home owner or legal resident. I personally don't have a problem with it if it removes weapons from people that should not have them. However, it will not cure the problem. Any weapons found were most likely obtained illegally and will most likely be replaced by another illegal weapon if confiscated.
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Agreed. This is Constitutional if they have consent of the home owner or legal resident. I personally don't have a problem with it if it removes weapons from people that should not have them. However, it will not cure the problem. Any weapons found were most likely obtained illegally and will most likely be replaced by another illegal weapon if confiscated.
The request can be vague and ambiguous in wording. In writing and clearly spelled out the who-what-where would prevent misunderstandings.

What happens if during their 'permitted' search they find something else, like drugs or other highly incriminating evidence?

Hell no.
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The request can be vague and ambiguous in wording. In writing and clearly spelled out the who-what-where would prevent misunderstandings.

What happens if during their 'permitted' search they find something else, like drugs or other highly incriminating evidence?

Hell no.
Well again, that is up to the home owner or legal resident. They have the right to refuse the request and the police have the right to make the request. Again, I have no problem with the police asking for permission. It is when they quit asking permission and violating the residents rights that I will have a problem with it. If that day comes, I will defend my home to be best of my abilities.
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Well again, that is up to the home owner or legal resident. They have the right to refuse the request and the police have the right to make the request. Again, I have no problem with the police asking for permission. It is when they quit asking permission and violating the residents rights that I will have a problem with it. If that day comes, I will defend my home to be best of my abilities.
If the request to search is rebuffed, here comes child protective services checking for abuses, zoning inspectors, uniformed officers dropping by in response to noise or domestic abuse complaints or the parole officer will drop by for a surprise visit. In the interest of public safety the police could threaten to advise the landlord of the tenants refusal.

What about the precious sensitivities of the illegal alien? Three plainclothes officers at the door would surely make them fearful.

Thousands of Bostonians protested the alleged brutal, racist police of black men but now the police are trusted to show up in plainclothes to search homes with the residents permission of course.
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If the request to search is rebuffed, here comes child protective services checking for abuses, zoning inspectors, uniformed officers dropping by in response to noise or domestic abuse complaints or the parole officer will drop by for a surprise visit. In the interest of public safety the police could threaten to advise the landlord of the tenants refusal.

What about the precious sensitivities of the illegal alien? Three plainclothes officers at the door would surely make them fearful.

Thousands of Bostonians protested the alleged brutal, racist police of black men but now the police are trusted to show up in plainclothes to search homes with the residents permission of course.
We are speaking about 2 different things here. You seem to insinuate that because I don't have a problem with the legality of the request to search, that I also don't have a problem with heavy handed tactics that may or may not be employed if the request is denied.

And I am not promoting any of what you typed. All I am saying is that the police are legally allowed to request to search a home. I have no problem if they do that upon suspicion of wrong doings happening either in the home or by a member of the home. That does not however mean that I condone the misuse of their authority to take it beyond that step.
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