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Old 08-03-2018, 02:45 PM
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Why is President Trump escalating his attacks against special counsel counsel Robert Mueller, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the Department of Justice, the FBI and the free press to a fever pitch in recent days?
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The reason is that the odds are very high that Mueller will offer a declarative public statement before the midterm elections, and very likely before Labor Day, that the president is guilty of obstruction of justice.
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The Mueller declaration of obstruction of justice could be issued in the form of a letter to Congress and may or may not ultimately be issued in the form of an indictment if he believes that the Trump situation creates extraordinary circumstances that warrant his seeking approval for a formal indictment.
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It is impossible to know exactly what Mueller will do. We do not know the evidence he has that has not yet been made public. We do not know his private thinking on great matters of state and law that will govern his actions.
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In April, there were public reports that Mueller would ultimately release his findings in two stages, the first being obstruction of justice, which could be released in whatever form it takes this summer.
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When public reports indicated that Mueller is looking at Trump tweets, among other factors, in the obstruction investigation, some of his handful of legal defenders suggested that Trump tweets are not relevant evidence of obstruction. They are wrong, though the tweets are far from the most important evidence.
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Consider the obstruction of justice provisions in the articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon that were passed by the House Judiciary Committee before Nixon resigned. Article 1, Section 8 of the articles of impeachment included this:

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ďmaking or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation had been conducted with respect to allegations of misconduct on the part of personnel of the executive branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct.Ē
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In other words, repeatedly making false statements intended to deceive the public about matters under investigation constitute acts in furtherance of obstruction of justice in violation of American law.

Now consider this. Literally in real time, Trump is virtually at war over facts with leading members of his Cabinet about whether Russia has attacked American elections in the 2016 campaign and continues to attack American elections in the 2018 midterms.

On Thursday, leading members of his administration joined together in an extraordinary public session warning the nation about the continuing Russian attack against our elections. His national security adviser, director of National Intelligence, FBI director and secretary of Homeland Security stood united before the nation, warning of the continuing Russian attack in clear and powerful terms.
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Trump could have joined them in person to offer his support. He did not. Instead, only hours later, he publicly claimed, again, that the Russia investigation was a hoax and that his recent meeting with Russian strongman Vladimir Putin was a huge success.

If charges that Trump obstructed justice by making false statements are considered in court or congressional hearings, it would be powerful testimony for his cabinet members to be called to testify about whether Trumpís statements that the Russia investigations are a hoax are true or false.

Similarly, Trumpís fevered and escalating attacks against the free press, which even his daughter Ivanka had the good sense to rebut, provide more powerful and compelling evidence of intent to mislead the public about matters under intense investigation.
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While Trump is in dramatic conflict with Cabinet members who warn about the Russian attack, which he falsely claims is a hoax, he attacks the free press for reporting about the Russian attack, which he falsely claims is fake news.

Mueller could argue that Trump is seeking to execute the first televised obstruction of justice, in plain view before the nation every day.

With a high probability that the obstruction issue reaches a crescendo before the midterm elections, there is now a growing likelihood that an anti-Trump wave will doom Republicans to a disastrous defeat in November.
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In Texas, Rep. Beto OíRourke (D-Texas) has surged to within a few points of defeating Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas). In Tennessee, former Democratic Gov. Phil Bredesen has a strong chance of winning the election to replace Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.). Democratic Senate candidates have a strong chance to take Republican Senate seats in Arizona and Nevada.
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It is now probable that Democrats regain control of the House of Representatives with a real possibility that Democrats win a larger than expected majority. For Republicans, it is the worst possible time for the coming obstruction of justice bombshell to explode.

It is political suicide for Republicans when the president escalates his attacks against the free press to such extreme levels that even his daughter distances herself from these attacks. His attacks against Mueller have reached such extreme levels that he puts the fear of God into Republicans running in 2018.
Well looks like this is just an opinion, not breaking news, but I believe it's what's been speculated And we all know what opinions are like.
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Believe me, I'd like to see the guy's out before the election.
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Three points...

1) This is an opinion piece...and it's by a guy who was a staffer to TWO different Democrat representatives...a grain of salt will be too much salt...

2) Notice how the headline is a statement of fact...It "will explode"...yet the second sentence in the article says...

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The reason is that the odds are very high that Mueller will offer a declarative public statement before the midterm elections, and very likely before Labor Day, that the president is guilty of obstruction of justice.
Even if you believe this partisan hack, "very high" and "very likely" do NOT mean "WILL"...in any language...

3) Read the bolded parts of this sentence again...

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The reason is that the odds are very high that Mueller will offer a declarative public statement before the midterm elections, and very likely before Labor Day, that the president is guilty of obstruction of justice.
Investigators (and prosecutors) do NOT declare someone guilty...To do so before an indictment, trial, and conviction is retarded...Beyond retarded...
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Three points...

1) This is an opinion piece...and it's by a guy who was a staffer to TWO different Democrat representatives...a grain of salt will be too much salt...

2) Notice how the headline is a statement of fact...It "will explode"...yet the second sentence in the article says...

Even if you believe this partisan hack, "very high" and "very likely" do NOT mean "WILL"...in any language...

3) Read the bolded parts of this sentence again...

Investigators (and prosecutors) do NOT declare someone guilty...To do so before an indictment, trial, and conviction is retarded...Beyond retarded...
notice my opening comment:
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Well looks like this is just an opinion, not breaking news, but I believe it's what's been speculated And we all know what opinions are like.
However, it's not looking good for our boy here his twitter rants and lying rally speeches only further the proof he's scared as hell. His own national security advisers went out and refuted everything he says about Russian election meddling. either to make sure they 're in the clear when the chips fly , or a half azzed attempt at reassuring the American people while telling them the truth-a job that HE, as commander in chief- ought to be doing.
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notice my opening comment:


However, it's not looking good for our boy here his twitter rants and lying rally speeches only further the proof he's scared as hell. His own national security advisers went out and refuted everything he says about Russian election meddling. either to make sure they 're in the clear when the chips fly , or a half azzed attempt at reassuring the American people while telling them the truth-a job that HE, as commander in chief- ought to be doing.
Mueller is not going to issue a report to Congress suggesting Trump obstructed justice based on tweets or because he questions the conclusions of intelligence agencies. A so-called investigation that claimed the President obstructed justice by exercising his first amendment rights to criticize the weaponization of the special counsel's office and held a President "guilty" for disagreeing with a subordinate agency in the executive branch would vividly confirm Mueller's sham probe as a witchhunt.

A Mueller report with patently false accusations of obstruction issued as an October surprise would immediately energize Republican voter turnout. That's exactly the opposite of what the Resistance media has been campaigning to do, shame Republicans into not voting via a smear campaign. The last thing Democrats want to do is be forced to defend Mueller's witchhunt and impeachment in swing districts.

There has been a constant refrain claiming the Trump administration is doing nothing to protect the mid term elections from the Russian boogeyman. Yet when senior administration officials hold a press event to dispel the myth it's spun up as demonstrating a split within the administration. It's the same old propaganda spin, Trump is said to be neglecting something then when it's demonstrated the criticism is false it's claimed it's being done in spite of Trump. Of course the Resistance media covers its propagandizing by braying that Trump is the liar.
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notice my opening comment:


However, it's not looking good for our boy here his twitter rants and lying rally speeches only further the proof he's scared as hell. His own national security advisers went out and refuted everything he says about Russian election meddling. either to make sure they 're in the clear when the chips fly , or a half azzed attempt at reassuring the American people while telling them the truth-a job that HE, as commander in chief- ought to be doing.
I wonder if Mr Mueller will delay making a comment on Obstruction until after the election. I suspect he might make such a delay, on Obstruction, and possibly witness tampering (both of which I believe he has committed) to not make the mistake Comey made; a comment on HRC which I also believe impacted the 2016 election.
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My take has always been the same, and just as with the FBI investigation into Hillary's server.

If Mueller finds something, then he found something. If he doesn't, then he doesn't, and I'll accept the conclusion no matter how I feel about Trump.
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I wonder if Mr Mueller will delay making a comment on Obstruction until after the election. I suspect he might make such a delay, on Obstruction, and possibly witness tampering (both of which I believe he has committed) to not make the mistake Comey made; a comment on HRC which I also believe impacted the 2016 election.
It's likely Mueller leaks damaging stories prior to the midterm elections to help set up Democrats to kill Congressional investigations, deny Trump confirmations and position the Congress for impeachment. Mueller's ultimate goal is Trump's destruction politically followed by prison. For Mueller it's visceral, nobody can be allowed to challenge the imperial authority of the FBI, the self appointed keepers of Federal law.
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Its obvious to anyone not part of the tRUmp cult that he is guilty of obstruction.
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