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By the way, Hope Hicks was seen getting on Air FOrce one today, strange considering she left the administration last year and but mostly because she is a key witness in the obstruction case oh and she's not just a witness...
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It's likely Mueller leaks damaging stories prior to the midterm elections to help set up Democrats to kill Congressional investigations, deny Trump confirmations and position the Congress for impeachment. Mueller's ultimate goal is Trump's destruction politically followed by prison. For Mueller it's visceral, nobody can be allowed to challenge the imperial authority of the FBI, the self appointed keepers of Federal law.
People sometimes are tempted to think that, but Mueller runs a pretty tight ship in that department. this piece is speculation but with a bases of what has occurred so far. nevertheless it's still an assumption.most leaks so far have come from the wh and congress
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I wonder if Mr Mueller will delay making a comment on Obstruction until after the election. I suspect he might make such a delay, on Obstruction, and possibly witness tampering (both of which I believe he has committed) to not make the mistake Comey made; a comment on HRC which I also believe impacted the 2016 election.
is this the witness tampering you're talking about?
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By the way, Hope Hicks was seen getting on Air FOrce one today, strange considering she left the administration last year and but mostly because she is a key witness in the obstruction case.
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My take has always been the same, and just as with the FBI investigation into Hillary's server.

If Mueller finds something, then he found something. If he doesn't, then he doesn't, and I'll accept the conclusion no matter how I feel about Trump.
That sounds nice, but that only works if you blindly feel the FBI is an objective outfit, and we've learned that the leadership is anything but...
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That sounds nice, but that only works if you blindly feel the FBI is an objective outfit, and we've learned that the leadership is anything but...
no we haven't "learned" that
Now of course Trump has told us that time after time and his buddies have trotted that out as gospel, but the entire FBI cannot be fronting for the Democrats. And the lead investigator was lauded by most republican politicians as an excellent if not the best choice of any available.
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That sounds nice, but that only works if you blindly feel the FBI is an objective outfit, and we've learned that the leadership is anything but...
No we haven't learned that. Liars like you just keep saying that to try and throw shade at the fact that your cult leader is a treasonous shi-tgibbon.
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http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...efore-midterms

Well looks like this is just an opinion, not breaking news, but I believe it's what's been speculated And we all know what opinions are like.
Very speculative at the least and simply erroneous at best. Robert Mueller will not release any reports or conclusions about President Trump because he doesn't have that authority nor does he have the authority to seek an indictment against the president that would contradict long-standing DOJ policy against prosecuting a seating president.

Those decisions all rest with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

So even if Mueller releases a report on obstruction of justice by President Trump the report goes to Rod Rosenstein even the existence of such a report is highly sensitive and privileged information within the DOJ. Rod Rosenstein would then decide what to do with the report.

While it's been reported that many factors have been investigated when it comes to the issue of obstruction justice by Robert Mueller we don't know what his decision might be. What we do know that if Mueller reaches the conclusion that Trump obstructed justice any report on that will be loaded with multiple forms of detailed evidence that establish an overwhelming legal case for obstruction. We know this from the indictments he's been issuing related to the Russian investigation. The evidence will go beyond just establishing "guild beyond a reasonable doubt" into "any reasonable person would find the President guilty beyond any doubt whatsoever."

Mueller is dedicated to the law and knows the significance of any report he would issue on the President. He's not going to claim that Trump obstructed justice unless he knows that the evidence is so compelling that no other legal conclusion can be reached. It will not be a "maybe Trump obstructed justice" but instead it will be "this is how and why the President obstructed justice" type of report.... if that's the determination of Robert Mueller that knows the law probably better than anyone else in the country.

Will this occur before the election is based upon the possibility that Mueller and his staff of prosecutors (this will not be a Mueller decision alone) reach the conclusion that Trump committed obstruction of justice. If there's any doubt about that then Mueller won't issue a report.

Here's what we can assume and suggest what should happen the Mueller investigation determines that the evidence is overwhelming that Trump committed obstruction before the election:

We can safely assume that it will be submitted as a report to Rod Rosenstein and not in the form of an indictment because of existing DOJ policy against prosecuting a sitting President.

A report on criminal behavior by a sitting president always needs to go to Congress for Congressional review and action but would Rod Rosenstein authorize that release before the election is the next question. There's an unwritten rule at the DOJ to not release information from a criminal investigation that could have political impact too close to an election.

In this case I would say the report should be forwarded to Congress immediately regardless of how close it is to the election for two reasons.

1. There isn't a presidential election this year and so the report will not adversely effect a political campaign related to the President.

2. There is a need to know what current members of the House of Representatives seeking re-election will do if the report provides compelling evidence of obstruction of justice by the President. The House controls impeachment and while the timing is too close to the election for the entire impeachment by the House and a vote on removal from office by the Senate then we need to at least know what members of the House will do. That is a very relevant election issue.
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No we haven't learned that. Liars like you just keep saying that to try and throw shade at the fact that your cult leader is a treasonous shi-tgibbon.
There we go, please continue with the childish agree with me or your a liar mantra, it shows the Resistance up as what it is a collection of hate filled zealots unwilling or unable to accept the fact they lost an election. Frustrated by its inability to achieve its singular purpose the Resistance turns its rage on anyone who dares support Trump against their idiocy. Of course the consistent history of mob movements like the Resistance ending up installing authoritarian regimes is ignored its members.
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That sounds nice, but that only works if you blindly feel the FBI is an objective outfit, and we've learned that the leadership is anything but...
We've actually learned based upon the facts is that when it comes to criminal investigations the FBI is totally objective even when individuals within the FBI have personal political opinions. Two cases in point:

Clinton email investigation:
As the Inspector General's report on the Hillary Clinton campaign addressed Peter Strzok that had expressed anti-Trump personal political bias in private text messages using an FBI cellphone. The IG concluded the investigation itself was untainted by any political bias by Peter Strzok or anyone else involved in the investigation and that the conclusion that Hillary Clinton did not commit a prosecutable criminal act was supported by the Facts, the Law, and Prior Precedent.

There were only two problems related to the Clinton email investigation and neither of them affected the investigation itself.

The first mistake after the investigation was complete and a conclusion reached that Hillary Clinton did not commit a prosecutable violation of the law was James Comey offering "opinion" on Hillary Clinton's non-criminal conduct as the Sect of State in handling classified material. That violated FBI/DOJ policy.

The second mistake was Comey notifying Congress of the reopening of the Clinton email investigation two weeks before the election when the FBI had no evidence to support reopening of the investigation and it's damaging impact politically to Hillary Clinton. This violated two FBI/DOJ policies.

While these were mistakes made by James Comey they were post-investigation mistakes that didn't influence the investigation.


FISA Warrant on Carter Page:

In an unprecedented act the DOJ released the full, albeit redacted, applications for the FISA warrants on Carter Page, the application itself actually proved beyond any doubt that the allegations made by GOP Trump supporters such as Rep. Devin Nunes where not just false but were based upon statements known to be false in the Nunes's "report" on the FISA application. If the statements by Nunes in his report were under oath then Nunes would be guilty of perjury because they had that information at the time and lied about it (e.g. Nunes claimed that FISA warrant application didn't reference the fact that the Steele memos were indirectly related to the DNC/Clinton Campaign contract with Fusion GPS but that was clearly noted in the application). What was revealed was that the GOP in the House was trying to white-wash the Trump campaign's involvement with the Russians and the actions were effectively obstruction of justice.

There was no political influence in the FISA warrants for Carter Page and the warrants were based upon Carter Page's activities with the Russians going back to 2013. Page wasn't even under covert surveillance while working for the Trump campaign making claims that it was an investigation of the Trump campaign false.

Sorry but the allegations that the FBI is tainted politically in it's investigations have been debunked repeatedly. Not a single one of the allegations has ever been supported by the facts.
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Mueller is not going to issue a report to Congress suggesting Trump obstructed justice based on tweets or because he questions the conclusions of intelligence agencies. A so-called investigation that claimed the President obstructed justice by exercising his first amendment rights to criticize the weaponization of the special counsel's office and held a President "guilty" for disagreeing with a subordinate agency in the executive branch would vividly confirm Mueller's sham probe as a witchhunt.
Of course Mueller isn't going to base a conclusion of obstruction of justice solely upon tweets by the President but they can be used as a part of the overall evidence reflecting the intent by the President to obstruct justice. Making knowingly false statements certainly can be used as evidence against the president.

No investigation has been more protective of a president than the Mueller investigation. There are literally no leaks of any kind coming from Robert Mueller's team of prosecutors that have implicated or even implied any criminal conduct by President Trump.

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A Mueller report with patently false accusations of obstruction issued as an October surprise would immediately energize Republican voter turnout.
Robert Mueller would never issue any false allegations against President Trump or against anyone for that matter. Robert Mueller's integrity in law enforcelent is beyond any dispute. Robert Mueller would only accuse Trump of criminal conduct if the evidence goes far beyond the criteria needed to establish "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and was more closely associated with "guilty beyond any doubt."

Mueller will only issue a report of criminal conduct by President Trump if the evidence supports his impeachment and removal from office.

As an "October Surprise" the problem would be for Republicans because Mueller would provide compelling evidence to the majority of the American people that Trump should be removed from office. With the majority of American demanding impeachment will the GOP members of the House vote to impeach before the election? We know that 30% of Americans would disagree with impeachment and removal from office even if Trump publicly confessed to treason but 52% already oppose Trump and another 18% can be easily convinced to oppose Trump based upon hard evidence of obstruction of justice. The problem for the GOP members of the House is that they don't vote to impeach then they will face overwhelming rejection at the polls in November by Democrats and independents. 30% support by hard core Trump supporting Republicans won't win an election.
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