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Yup, she's nuts.
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if you go by viral clips and unattractive pics hairy posts.



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boy the alt right is afraid of her. lol
Actually, no...

She's a GOP dream...She's the gift that keeps on giving...

You know who's annoyed with her...Actual moderate Democrats...

Ocasio-Cortez draws ire from Democrats: ‘Meteors fizz out’

House Democrats Frustrated With Ocasio-Cortez: She’s Making ‘Enemies,’ ‘Showing ‘Lack of Maturity’

Democrats Are Voicing Concern Over Ocasio-Cortez

Sitting NYC Democrats Under Fire From Their Own

DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS ALREADY GETTING FRUSTRATED WITH NEW SOCIALIST DARLING
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because "moderate Democrats" = corporate ho's just like pretend teaparty Republicans.

Here's how non corporate-politician-loving people feel about the Cortez buzz:



yes the corporatists are very afraid : when you see fox news and msnbc banding together to mis label a candidate and misconstrue their message, you know somethings up because corporate media owners don't want their gobble-down millions glut monopolies to end.
ever.
so there better be some drastic changes in favor of the middle class, minorities and poor or a real socialism might be established. and not with bernie and ocasio.
this country needs more viable options besides the tight azzed rnc and dnc.
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A catch-all thread for the libs' new poster girl for the Democratic Party.

Watch this vid. You will cringe seein' this loon tryin' to answer q's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gRYC67qTpcAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez
This is more of a commentary on Fox News than it is on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

You had to love te comment that when a Fox News reporter doesn't have knowledge of a subject that they just make S**t up about it instead of admitting that it isn't a subject that they have knowledge about. Gee, sounds just like Trump that's unquestionably the least informed and most misinformed President in my lifetime.

On the subject of Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was right on even if she didn't know the specifics. The Israeli settlements in the West Bank and E Jerusalem are a violation of Article 49 of the Geneva Conventions that represent war crimes and crimes against humanity by the Israeli government. The World Court, that has jurisdiction over enforcement of international law, issued this opinion on the issue over a decade ago.

When it comes to civil rights demonstrations it was Fox News that falsely claimed that she would follow the leadership of those that riot and destroy property. No, that's not the leadership that any civil rights activist would follow. Organizations like Black Lives Matter, for example, is often condemned by the "right" BLM does not promote violence and are opposed to any violent demonstrations. Civil Rights demonstrations are always lead by non-violent activists. That doesn't prevent violence from occurring but it's certainly not at the direction of the civil rights leaders.

Fox News also created the false equivalency of Argentina and the United States. Democratic "socialism" isn't even socialism because socialism requires the public ownership of the means of production and distribution. We don't have that in the United States. We have privately owned production and distribution networks.

Fox News also misrepresents the regulation of capitalism in the United States. While there are regulations addressing enterprise in the United States we have very limited and inadequate regulation when it comes to protecting the "value" of labor in our economy. Fox News and the political right refer to the "market" when it comes to the value of labor but the market establishes the "price for labor but not the "value of labor" in our capitalistic model. "Price" and "value" are not the same thing. The value is established by the "cost" of providing the labor. The "cost of labor" is the amount in dollars that the worker must spend on mandatory purchases that include rent, food, energy, transportation, health care, etc. for their household. If the employer doesn't provide adequate compensation to cover the "cost of labor" then the government must provide a subsidy to the worker to cover the shortfall in compensation.

Under Capitalism the "price must exceed the cost" or capitalism will fail and government welfare assistance is a subsidy to prevent the failure of capitalism..

Democratic socialists are typically advocates for government subsidies to support capitalism when the "price for labor" is below the "cost of labor" for the workers. Personally I'd rather see regulation that requires the "price" to meet or exceed the "cost" of the labor tp eliminate the subsidies (welfare assistance).

Don't expect a Fox News host to understand the dynamics of capitalism.

On a final note I don't see the "Left" holding up Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a poster child. She's just one candidate for a single seat in Congress but there are many, many more just like her. It appears to be the "Right" that wants to make Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez a poster child for the Left.
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Actually, no...

She's a GOP dream...She's the gift that keeps on giving...

You know who's annoyed with her...Actual moderate Democrats...
The "right" can't claim she's a poster child for Democrats and then provide the evidence that she's not the poster child for Democrats. Sorry but you can't have it both ways.
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boy the alt right is afraid of her. lol
I don't know anybody on the right that is afraid of her.
On the contrary, most non-leftists find her foolishness to be quite entertaining. Personally, I also find it entertaining how much of the left leaning media have made her their poster child of the new Democrat party. I believe it was Hillary Clinton that stated something along the lines of it taking a village to raise a child. I would posit that every village also has a "village idiot" and we have now found the one in the Bronx village of NY.
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because "moderate Democrats" = corporate ho's just like pretend teaparty Republicans.

Here's how non corporate-politician-loving people feel about the Cortez buzz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc7_Rr7_MMM


yes the corporatists are very afraid : when you see fox news and msnbc banding together to mis label a candidate and misconstrue their message, you know somethings up because corporate media owners don't want their gobble-down millions glut monopolies to end.
ever.
so there better be some drastic changes in favor of the middle class, minorities and poor or a real socialism might be established. and not with bernie and ocasio.
this country needs more viable options besides the tight azzed rnc and dnc.
Good lord but you post the most inane gibberish.

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This is more of a commentary on Fox News than it is on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

You had to love te comment that when a Fox News reporter doesn't have knowledge of a subject that they just make S**t up about it instead of admitting that it isn't a subject that they have knowledge about. Gee, sounds just like Trump that's unquestionably the least informed and most misinformed President in my lifetime.

On the subject of Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was right on even if she didn't know the specifics. The Israeli settlements in the West Bank and E Jerusalem are a violation of Article 49 of the Geneva Conventions that represent war crimes and crimes against humanity by the Israeli government. The World Court, that has jurisdiction over enforcement of international law, issued this opinion on the issue over a decade ago.

When it comes to civil rights demonstrations it was Fox News that falsely claimed that she would follow the leadership of those that riot and destroy property. No, that's not the leadership that any civil rights activist would follow. Organizations like Black Lives Matter, for example, is often condemned by the "right" BLM does not promote violence and are opposed to any violent demonstrations. Civil Rights demonstrations are always lead by non-violent activists. That doesn't prevent violence from occurring but it's certainly not at the direction of the civil rights leaders.

Fox News also created the false equivalency of Argentina and the United States. Democratic "socialism" isn't even socialism because socialism requires the public ownership of the means of production and distribution. We don't have that in the United States. We have privately owned production and distribution networks.

Fox News also misrepresents the regulation of capitalism in the United States. While there are regulations addressing enterprise in the United States we have very limited and inadequate regulation when it comes to protecting the "value" of labor in our economy. Fox News and the political right refer to the "market" when it comes to the value of labor but the market establishes the "price for labor but not the "value of labor" in our capitalistic model. "Price" and "value" are not the same thing. The value is established by the "cost" of providing the labor. The "cost of labor" is the amount in dollars that the worker must spend on mandatory purchases that include rent, food, energy, transportation, health care, etc. for their household. If the employer doesn't provide adequate compensation to cover the "cost of labor" then the government must provide a subsidy to the worker to cover the shortfall in compensation.

Under Capitalism the "price must exceed the cost" or capitalism will fail and government welfare assistance is a subsidy to prevent the failure of capitalism..

Democratic socialists are typically advocates for government subsidies to support capitalism when the "price for labor" is below the "cost of labor" for the workers. Personally I'd rather see regulation that requires the "price" to meet or exceed the "cost" of the labor tp eliminate the subsidies (welfare assistance).

Don't expect a Fox News host to understand the dynamics of capitalism.

On a final note I don't see the "Left" holding up Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a poster child. She's just one candidate for a single seat in Congress but there are many, many more just like her. It appears to be the "Right" that wants to make Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez a poster child for the Left.
Subject is Ocasio-Cortez, not Fox News. Want to talk Israel? Go start a thread about them, it is obvious neither you nor the privileged "socialist" care much to discuss how Israel came to occupy those settlements. Owing to how that conversation tends to lead to some really ugly facts that a lot of willfully ignorant people who just don't like the Jewish state and its existence like to ignore. I always appreciate it one of you steps forward. By all means do some thread starting and share with us all your deep and thoughtful knowledge about Israel and the mid east. Should be a hoot!

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The "right" can't claim she's a poster child for Democrats and then provide the evidence that she's not the poster child for Democrats. Sorry but you can't have it both ways.
Of course don't let the fact that he was speaking about the GOP, not the "right" slip right past you. Nice try, no cigar.

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I don't know anybody on the right that is afraid of her.
On the contrary, most non-leftists find her foolishness to be quite entertaining. Personally, I also find it entertaining how much of the left leaning media have made her their poster child of the new Democrat party. I believe it was Hillary Clinton that stated something along the lines of it taking a village to raise a child. I would posit that every village also has a "village idiot" and we have now found the one in the Bronx village of NY.
As can be pointed to in several threads here at PW a lot of people that lean more towards the center and the right want Ocasio-Cortez to have as much "air time" and chance to expose her oh so deeply thought through arguments and so called philosophies as possible. This is the opposite of fear, but I can tell posters like Shiva and always obtuse Saltwn sure don't want that. They'd be required to post twice as much trying to rationalize Ocasio-Cortez's many blunders, misunderstandings of history and fake poor girl done good story than they already do. It could get to be quite a lot of work for them.

You've seen how well they are able to perform defending this privileged "socialist" so far. Think the increased work load is going to lead to an uptick in intellectual output?

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As can be pointed to in several threads here at PW a lot of people that lean more towards the center and the right want Ocasio-Cortez to have as much "air time" and chance to expose her oh so deeply thought through arguments and so called philosophies as possible. This is the opposite of fear, but I can tell posters like Shiva and always obtuse Saltwn sure don't want that. They'd be required to post twice as much trying to rationalize Ocasio-Cortez's many blunders, misunderstandings of history and fake poor girl done good story than they already do. It could get to be quite a lot of work for them.

You've seen how well they are able to perform defending this privileged "socialist" so far. Think the increased work load is going to lead to an uptick in intellectual output?
It's not just PW, I see it on other message boards and even in the comment sections of Yahoo.
The right of leftist folks all find her entertaining and not the least bit intimidating.
She is running in a district that no Republican has a chance in hell of winning so it is very likely that she will end up as a Representative in the US House.

As for people that try to claim that she isn't a media darling, think about this....
435 US HOR seats are up for grabs. Every seat has at least two candidates. Ms Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gets more national press than all candidates from the other 434 seats combined. The vast majority of that media coverage is positive.
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It's not just PW, I see it on other message boards and even in the comment sections of Yahoo.
The right of leftist folks all find her entertaining and not the least bit intimidating.
She is running in a district that no Republican has a chance in hell of winning so it is very likely that she will end up as a Representative in the US House.

As for people that try to claim that she isn't a media darling, think about this....
435 US HOR seats are up for grabs. Every seat has at least two candidates. Ms Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gets more national press than all candidates from the other 434 seats combined. The vast majority of that media coverage is positive.
Oh she's got the district sewn up, IMO she will win. But she owes her star rising to not only the media but the laziness of Joe Crowley too. Like a certain 2016 democratic POTUS candidate he felt the district was his birthright.

Right now she only appears on friendly media and even that has exposed her lack of depth quickly. I'd hazard a guess that the only chance she will really get to let her true colors fly is on the job and at the microphone of congress. And of course can't wait to see what kind of legislation she gets about.
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Oh she's got the district sewn up, IMO she will win. But she owes her star rising to not only the media but the laziness of Joe Crowley too. Like a certain 2016 democratic POTUS candidate he felt the district was his birthright.

Right now she only appears on friendly media and even that has exposed her lack of depth quickly. I'd hazard a guess that the only chance she will really get to let her true colors fly is on the job and at the microphone of congress. And of course can't wait to see what kind of legislation she gets about.
Her one vote in the HOR ain't going to go far. HOR is 435 people that all twist, manipulate and negotiate to get things done. Sadly, I do think that all freshman representatives have to sell their soul. Not the way our founding fathers envisioned, but the way things have become. The tea-party representatives found that out, and so will Ms Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I'm guessing that it will be a hard lesson for her to learn.
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