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Every action should have an endgame in mind.

That said, one has to wonder: As regarding those who say that they will vote against any Trump pick for the SCOTUS, what, exactly, is their endgame?

If they were (somehow) to defeat his nomination--and that is really a longshot, in my opinion--he would just sent them another nominee from his pared-down list of three or four.

If they again defeated him (or her), the kabuki dance would continue.

Eventually, we would get to the original list of 25.

Presumably, these senators would again do their rejectionist thing.

So are they implying that for at least the next two-and-a-half years--and perhaps the next six-and-a-half years--they are prepared to leave this slot on the High Court vacant--thereby resulting in many tie (four-to-four) votes?

One has to wonder if any serious person thinks that this would be a really hunky-dory idea...
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Every action should have an endgame in mind.

That said, one has to wonder: As regarding those who say that they will vote against any Trump pick for the SCOTUS, what, exactly, is their endgame?

If they were (somehow) to defeat his nomination--and that is really a longshot, in my opinion--he would just sent them another nominee from his pared-down list of three or four.

If they again defeated him (or her), the kabuki dance would continue.

Eventually, we would get to the original list of 25.

Presumably, these senators would again do their rejectionist thing.

So are they implying that for at least the next two-and-a-half years--and perhaps the next six-and-a-half years--they are prepared to leave this slot on the High Court vacant--thereby resulting in many tie (four-to-four) votes?

One has to wonder if any serious person thinks that this would be a really hunky-dory idea...
That every action should doesn't mean that every action does.

The long term end game from a pure political standpoint should be winning the Presidency from Trump or possibly his successor. The short term and most immediate goal is gaining seats in a few months. I've seen nothing to indicate that the left is aware of either of these situations.
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So are they implying that for at least the next two-and-a-half years--and perhaps the next six-and-a-half years--they are prepared to leave this slot on the High Court vacant--thereby resulting in many tie (four-to-four) votes?
I wouldn't be surprised is a couple of Dems are thinking this, but I think the reasoning goes more like this...

The Dems are praying fora blue wave election...Now I wouldn't be surprised if the House loses some Republican seats, but the Senate has virtually no shot at going Democrat...

There are 34 seats up for grabs in the Senate...24 of them are Democrat while only 10 are Republican...On top of that, 10 of those Democrat seats are in states that Trump won...That makes things horrible for the Dems to actualy gain two seats...

But the Dems are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle and get that...Why?...

They believe that would force Trump to NOT pick a Conservative nominee and pick a middle-of-the-road candidate so they could get passed a Democrat majority in the Senate...

Wishful thinking IMO, but I think that's what they're shooting for...
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The long term end game from a pure political standpoint should be winning the Presidency from Trump or possibly his successor.
That is a reasonable enough goal for Democrats.

But that cannot happen for at least two-and-a-half years (if then).

Is it really reasonable, in your opinion, to have an eight-member SCOTUS (which necessarily implies many tie votes) for at least two-and-a-half years?

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The short term and most immediate goal is gaining seats in a few months.
I much prefer being analytical over being merely partisan.

From an analytical standpoint, the senate--even though it is very close now (50-49, in favor of the Republicans; John McCain is not returning), is quite unlikely to flip. After all, 26 Democrats are up for re-election, as opposed to only nine Republicans.

The House, however, may be another story: A cursory look at it might seem to indicate smooth sailing for the Republicans--after all, they hold a 235 to 193 advantage--but it is not at all unthinkable that the Democrats could flip 22 seats, thereby taking control of the Lower Chamber.

I truly hope that this does not happen. But it could.
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That is a reasonable enough goal for Democrats.

But that cannot happen for at least two-and-a-half years (if then).

Is it really reasonable, in your opinion, to have an eight-member SCOTUS (which necessarily implies many tie votes) for at least two-and-a-half years?



I much prefer being analytical over being merely partisan.

From an analytical standpoint, the senate--even though it is very close now (50-49, in favor of the Republicans; John McCain is not returning), is quite unlikely to flip. After all, 26 Democrats are up for re-election, as opposed to only nine Republicans.

The House, however, may be another story: A cursory look at it might seem to indicate smooth sailing for the Republicans--after all, they hold a 235 to 193 advantage--but it is not at all unthinkable that the Democrats could flip 22 seats, thereby taking control of the Lower Chamber.

I truly hope that this does not happen. But it could.
My position regarding SCOTUS is and always has been that their job is interpret not make law, and therefore political lean shouldn't matter. Having said that, it obviously does. I don't think 4-4 will remain. I don't think tie votes are not necessarily bad. All that happens is the current law remains in effect.

Regarding November, I can't see either branch flipping. Senate as you state, and the House simply because of momentum and percentages. 18 is a lot to overcome.
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We find out at 9:00 Eastern what and who President Trump has chosen for his nominee. I hope it is Barrett.

However, the Left is ready with packaged demonization's for everyone on his published list. ALL 25 of them.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has chosen someone of whom no one has a clue.

For the record, when he asked,,,,; I declined.
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My position regarding SCOTUS is and always has been that their job is interpret not make law...
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I don't think tie votes are not necessarily bad. All that happens is the current law remains in effect.
Well, more precisely, the ruling of the last court to rule on the matter stays in effect.
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Every action should have an endgame in mind.

That said, one has to wonder: As regarding those who say that they will vote against any Trump pick for the SCOTUS, what, exactly, is their endgame?

If they were (somehow) to defeat his nomination--and that is really a longshot, in my opinion--he would just sent them another nominee from his pared-down list of three or four.

If they again defeated him (or her), the kabuki dance would continue.

Eventually, we would get to the original list of 25.

Presumably, these senators would again do their rejectionist thing.

So are they implying that for at least the next two-and-a-half years--and perhaps the next six-and-a-half years--they are prepared to leave this slot on the High Court vacant--thereby resulting in many tie (four-to-four) votes?

One has to wonder if any serious person thinks that this would be a really hunky-dory idea...
They'll approve whomever he nominates unless it's someone who has blatantly said they would work to over turn RvW or other Democrat rights issues. And then they would probably get a couple Republican votes to deny that person's confirmation.
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We find out at 9:00 Eastern what and who President Trump has chosen for his nominee. I hope it is Barrett.

However, the Left is ready with packaged demonization's for everyone on his published list. ALL 25 of them.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has chosen someone of whom no one has a clue.

For the record, when he asked,,,,; I declined.
Thanks for the reminder.
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