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I listened to President Trump's speech in Montana last night. Ostensibly, it was intended to be in support of Matt Rosendale, the Republican senatorial candidate who will oppose John Tester in November.

And there was occasional support expressed for Rosendale.

For the most part, however, the speech was dedicated to bashing the Democrats.

I was particularly disturbed by President Trump's characterization of Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren as "Pocahontas." The woman may reasonably be criticized for her democratic-socialist views--and should be, in my opinion--but not for her ancestry.

Basically, he seemed more like a street fighter than like a president. (He did mock those who wish for the president to act in a presidential manner. But that does not seem altogether unreasonable, in my opinion.)

Of course, the Democrats are no better. Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer--and especially Maxine Waters--have sunk to new depths, I believe.

Whatever has happened to civil political discourse in this country?
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I was particularly disturbed by President Trump's characterization of Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren as "Pocahontas." The woman may reasonably be criticized for her democratic-socialist views--and should be, in my opinion--but not for her ancestry.
I'm not sure if you know the story behind that....

No one is sure if she even has any Native American blood in her, but she DID claim to be to further her career as a professor at Harvard...Not only was it identity politics, but it insulated her from any criticism considering political correctness...

Her response to skepticism of her ancestry has been met with, "Trust me and shut up!" instead of providing any proof...

Back in March, a local Massachusetts media outlet called for a DNA to end the debate...She has refused, adding to the skepticism...

Our Opinion: Warren must resolve debate on heritage

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The same technology that can match a perpetrator to a crime with virtually 100 percent certainty could settle the question of her heritage for all time.

There are now so many commercial DNA heritage-tracking labs in business that they advertise on television. The going rate for one of the most popular tests is $99. All the senator needs to do is spit into a tube, wait a few weeks and get her answer. No matter if the test came up negative or positive, it would constitute a plus for Warren and her political hopes.

Were she to test positive for Native American DNA, it would permanently resolve the issue — while possibly shutting down President Trump.


Should the test come up negative, it would be an opportunity for the senator to perform an act rarely seen among politicians: an admission of her error and a full-throated apology to Native American tribes and anyone else offended by her spurious claim. By facing the truth and taking responsibility for it, she would disarm her enemies and show potential voters that she was human and capable of mistakes, just like them. Handled properly, it could become a testimonial to her integrity and truthfulness at a time when that quality is in short supply among the nation's leadership.

So we call upon our senior senator to screw up her courage and take the spit test. If she already has but is keeping the results under wraps, we urge her to be forthcoming with them. She has nothing to lose but her Achilles' heel.
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I'm not sure if you know the story behind that....

No one is sure if she even has any Native American blood in her, but she DID claim to be to further her career as a professor at Harvard...Not only was it identity politics, but it insulated her from any criticism considering political correctness...

Her response to skepticism of her ancestry has been met with, "Trust me and shut up!" instead of providing any proof...

Back in March, a local Massachusetts media outlet called for a DNA to end the debate...She has refused, adding to the skepticism...

Our Opinion: Warren must resolve debate on heritage
When I was a small child, my mother said that I am one-eighth American Indian (nowadays, typically known as "Native American"); Creek, to be exact.

So that is what I typically say that I am.

Still, I am not absolutely certain that it is accurate.

As you have said, a DNA test could settle the matter, once and for all. (Still, the matter is really inconsequential to me--and to my wife, too. So I see no reason to shell out nearly $100 just to satisfy my curiosity. But perhaps Elizabeth Warren might do so, as you have suggested.)
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I listened to President Trump's speech in Montana last night. Ostensibly, it was intended to be in support of Matt Rosendale, the Republican senatorial candidate who will oppose John Tester in November.

And there was occasional support expressed for Rosendale.

For the most part, however, the speech was dedicated to bashing the Democrats.

I was particularly disturbed by President Trump's characterization of Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren as "Pocahontas." The woman may reasonably be criticized for her democratic-socialist views--and should be, in my opinion--but not for her ancestry.

Basically, he seemed more like a street fighter than like a president. (He did mock those who wish for the president to act in a presidential manner. But that does not seem altogether unreasonable, in my opinion.)

Of course, the Democrats are no better. Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer--and especially Maxine Waters--have sunk to new depths, I believe.

Whatever has happened to civil political discourse in this country?
Like Rush was saying today, being nice to Democrats gets you no where, if it did Romney would have got elected, but instead they destroyed the nice guy.

Trump does this stuff in order to bring out the left wing craziness, he is a street fighter, and that's exactly what this country needs.
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Trump does this stuff in order to bring out the left wing craziness, he is a street fighter, and that's exactly what this country needs.
Rex was right....

Donald does that because he's a moron.....


This behavior takes away from his good stuff.....
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i listened to president trump's speech in montana last night. Ostensibly, it was intended to be in support of matt rosendale, the republican senatorial candidate who will oppose john tester in november.

And there was occasional support expressed for rosendale.

For the most part, however, the speech was dedicated to bashing the democrats.

I was particularly disturbed by president trump's characterization of massachusetts senator elizabeth warren as "pocahontas." the woman may reasonably be criticized for her democratic-socialist views--and should be, in my opinion--but not for her ancestry.

Basically, he seemed more like a street fighter than like a president. (he did mock those who wish for the president to act in a presidential manner. But that does not seem altogether unreasonable, in my opinion.)

of course, the democrats are no better. Nancy pelosi, chuck schumer--and especially maxine waters--have sunk to new depths, i believe.

Whatever has happened to civil political discourse in this country?
its part of his strategy. Though he didn't come up with this one hes resurrected it for a potential opponent in 2020
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its part of his strategy. Though he didn't come up with this one hes resurrected it for a potential opponent in 2020
Donald EARNS all of the negativity he GIVES.......
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When I was a small child, my mother said that I am one-eighth American Indian (nowadays, typically known as "Native American"); Creek, to be exact.

So that is what I typically say that I am.

Still, I am not absolutely certain that it is accurate.
That's fie and dandy...You didn't use it as a way of gaining status as a professor at Harvard...

...and it makes you wonder...What requirements does Harvard use to have this minority status??? Did they LITERALLY just take her word for it????...
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Donald EARNS all of the negativity he GIVES.......
And gets 10 times as much that he doesn't...

Democrats are using a Michael Moore tactic right now...

"I hate him for 10 legitimate things he does, but that won't sway the electorate, so I'll make up 40 more!"...
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And gets 10 times as much that he doesn't...

Democrats are using a Michael Moore tactic right now...

"I hate him for 10 legitimate things he does, but that won't sway the electorate, so I'll make up 40 more!"...
Stop with that contention.......


President Tweet EARNS all of the **** he gets with him watering that daily.....

Donald is an attention whore and he loves it.....


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