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I'm descended from refugees on my mother's side. In about 1750 my ancestors living in England fled the social persecution of Quakers and came to America. The official persecution of Quakers had ended about 70 years previously but the social persecution long endured after that. Like many others that immigrated to the American colonies they were refugees seeking religious freedom. While, as Quakers, their religious beliefs prevented them from taking up arms during the American Revolution they did provide logistical assistance, food and supplies, to the rebellion and were awarded land in return for their service. That land grant, stating that it was in lieu of payment for goods provided to the American's fighting against England for our independence, was pivotal in my mother's application to become a Daughter of the American Revolution.

That America was founded predominately by refugees or their descendants established the refugee fleeing the oppression of their own country seeking asylum the highest priority for acceptance by the United States and the American people.

Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence and third President of the United States, summarized the foundation American ideology in granting asylum to the refugees of the world with these words, "Shall we refuse the unhappy fugitives from distress that hospitality which the savages of the wilderness extended to our fathers arriving in this land? Shall oppressed humanity find no asylum on this globe?"

We receive the refugee with compassion for the suffering they've long endured and for their desire to come to America for the liberty and peace they can find it. It's inconceivable that we could inflict further hardships on those that are fleeing conditions so heinous as to drive them from their own homes.

Would we first plunge a knife into the person seeking medical care for knife wounds before providing them with the medical care they require? Or would we provide them comfort to relieve the agony of the experience that has caused them physical harm?

The refugee fleeing violence and oppression in their home country, leaving virtually everything they own behind to begin a perilous journey to America does so based upon a belief that Americans are a good and compassionate people. They come seeking refuge from the horrors they've been subjected to with only a vague understanding of what the words "liberty and freedom" mean but with a deep belief in those words that gives them hope when all other hope is lost.

But when they arrive here today they're rejected as they try to lawfully enter the United States. We've barred the door with bigotry because they "don't look like us, they don't act like us, and they don't speak the same language as us." They want very much to be like us but because of our xenophobia, our irrational paranoia, and our lost compassion for those that suffer we've barred the door to the refugees that beg to be allowed into our country. We ignore our own immigration laws that grant the refugee asylum in our country if they present themselves to us and ask for asylum.

Instead of welcoming the refugee with empathy for their plight we're turning them away from our Ports of Entry by the thousands. When they seek the alternative means under our law to apply for asylum by being on US soil we arrest them and either take their children away from them give them or give them a choice between going away with their children or leaving their children here when they go away.

What is wrong with us as a nation? Where did our compassion for the refugee that has suffered so much and risked everything to come to America gone. What happened to our knowledge of our own American history of this nation that was founded by those refugees from tyranny and oppression that came to our shores for the asylum we refuse to grant today?

If we're ever to "Make America Great Again" the first place to start is by welcoming the refugees from foreign lands that come here seeking asylum because that was the very foundation of our nation. Had it not been for the refugee fleeing the tyranny and oppression of their native land there wouldn't be a United States of America.
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In 1750 the USA didn't exist.
Your argument is bullspit.
Seems that Mexico has a lot of "refugees" passing through it, would you think it fair of the USA to send all 'southern' arriving refugees onward to Canada? Ya know, how about if the USA simply provide passage to the next north american country, the same way Mexico is doing.
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Fleeing gangs like MS13 isn't being a refugee.
Gangs, including MS13, exist in the USA.
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In 1750 the USA didn't exist.
Your argument is bullspit.
Seems that Mexico has a lot of "refugees" passing through it, would you think it fair of the USA to send all 'southern' arriving refugees onward to Canada? Ya know, how about if the USA simply provide passage to the next north american country, the same way Mexico is doing.
Shivas definition of refugee is technically correct. Which does not mean his conclusions are valid even though many of the original settlers were fleeing from something.
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Since one of my ancestors hitched a ride with Peter Styvesant back 1647 to arrive in America, does that make my family descendants from refugees? Was he an illegal immigrant?
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Shivas definition of refugee is technically correct. Which does not mean his conclusions are valid even though many of the original settlers were fleeing from something.
1750 "Refuges" coming to America were leaving Europe to come to European COLONIES. They were NOT coming to a new nation but a dangerous wilderness under sovereign control from European monarchy's.. And the European "owners" of the land were glad to have someone willing to try and develop that wilderness. The original Settlers of Jamestowne did so with permission of the King of England. Therefore they were, technically, not "immigrants."

ShivaTD's example is based on an invalid premise.

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In 1750 the USA didn't exist.
Your argument is bullspit.
Seems that Mexico has a lot of "refugees" passing through it, would you think it fair of the USA to send all 'southern' arriving refugees onward to Canada? Ya know, how about if the USA simply provide passage to the next north american country, the same way Mexico is doing.
In 1750 the American colonies existed.

Back to the point.

These are REFUGEES. They've suffered enough already. Our immigration laws grant them the Right to Asylum so why isn't our government doing that? Instead of granting them asylum when they ask we're subjecting them to the worst form of tyranny imaginable. What kind of sick A-hole would cause them to suffer like they have? What we're doing is one of the greatest crimes against humanity imaginable.
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Kids are being drugged not only without parental consent but without any input as to their medical status. Some are mental health drugs given to 8 year olds.

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These are REFUGEES. They've suffered enough already. Our immigration laws grant them the Right to Asylum so why isn't our government doing that?
How naive do you have to be to believe every person SAYING they're coming here for asylum is telling the truth?..

They HAVE to be investigated on a case-by-case basis...

...AND when time comes for an actual hearing and they can plead their case and successfully be granted asylum, thousands don't even show up!!!!...

Fearful of Court, Asylum Seekers are Banished in Absentia

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Toward the end of a recent morning hearing in immigration court, Judge V. Stuart Couch looked out from his bench on a nearly empty chamber. On one side sat the prosecutor. But at the table for the immigrants, the chairs were vacant.

From a stack of case files, Couch called out names of asylum seekers: Dina Marciela Baires from El Salvador and her three children. No answer. Lesley Carolina Cardoza from Honduras and her young daughter. Silence. After identifying 17 people who had failed to appear for their hearings, the judge ordered all of them to be deported.

The scene is replaying across the country as immigration courts resolve the asylum cases of families who streamed across the Southwest border since 2014. Tens of thousands of families from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, and some from Mexico, came here citing their need for protection from predatory gangs and criminal violence. Now, they face the prospect of being sent back to countries they fear have not become any less dangerous.Of nearly 100,000 parents and children who have come before the courts since 2014, most asking for refuge, judges have issued rulings in at least 32,500 cases, court records show. The majority - 70 percent - ended with deportation orders in absentia, pronounced by judges to empty courtrooms.
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How naive do you have to be to believe every person SAYING they're coming here for asylum is telling the truth?..

They HAVE to be investigated on a case-by-case basis...

...AND when time comes for an actual hearing and they can plead their case and successfully be granted asylum, thousands don't even show up!!!!...

Fearful of Court, Asylum Seekers are Banished in Absentia
you think it's because they are afraid of going to jail?
watch my video as the guy reads of what went on in texas.
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