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Is "Classical Liberal’ is Making a Comeback"making a comeback are is tRumpetors cannibalizing what is left of the"Classical Liberal’?

By DEREK ROBERTSON June 16, 2018

I really call myself a classical liberal more than a conservative.”

<Protests like the above have become common as of late from certain quadrants of the self-proclaimed, free-thinking “Intellectual Dark Web,” a loose confederacy of free speech absolutists that includes figures like the atheist writer Sam Harris and Peter Thiel sidekick Eric Weinstein. The “classical liberal” label has until now mostly been the domain of libertarian types and conservatives on the never-Trump end of the spectrum, such as Bill Kristol and much of the National Review staff, who are eager to root themselves in a tradition that connects the Founding Fathers to conservative philosophical icon Edmund Burke. Its recent surge in popularity, however, has come from twin phenomena—those conservatives’ intensifying desire to distance themselves from a Trump-ified Republican Party, and the term’s discovery by that new clique of anti-PC voices placing themselves in opposition to the supposedly illiberal campus left.>

<To the Intellectual Dark Web types who provide much of the energy behind the concept’s current resurgence, such civilizational arguments have been mere speed bumps on the way to a pure ideology of individualism and unlimited free speech—with emphasis on the latter. Internet talk show host Dave Rubin, who sells T-shirts emblazoned with the “classical liberal” label, has monologued in favor of “true tolerance of opinion and thought… a live and let live attitude.” He goes on to inveigh against the supposed illiberalism of the modern left, a unifying thread among those who have recently identified themselves as classical liberals from Jordan Peterson to Bari Weiss, the New York Times columnist who introduced the concept of the “Intellectual Dark Web” to a skeptical public. Their argument is that opposition to speech that in past decades would have faced less public opposition—advocating against the validity of transgender identities, for example, or that there are inherent intellectual differences between ethnic races—is tantamount to censorship.>

<In an era where those still faithful to old-fashioned, Goldwater-style movement conservatism have been relegated to the sidelines by Trump’s cannibalization of their party, that team may someday be their only option. The path forward may be pointed by the example of their ideological patron saint William F. Buckley—Buckley’s “fusionism” of the 1950s, the alliance of economic libertarians with the social conservatives and culture warriors of his day, allowed a niche intellectual movement to launch itself to the Republican presidential nomination in less than a decade.

<The partisan remnants of movement conservatism within the Republican Party and the culture warriors of the so-called “Intellectual Dark Web” make an analogue of sorts, if imperfect, to the mid-century Buckleyite alliance. To this point, the sniping at the latter over their use of the “classical liberal” label has been mostly from critics on the left, not those who have tended to it in the political darkness between these periodic moments of light. Ultimately, an intellectual legacy that stretches back to the time of monarchs resists by its nature any claim to authority from one or the other splinter group—but in that right may be flexible and inclusive enough to incubate the strange new alliances necessitated by the Trump era.>

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...omeback-218667
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Classic Liberal:

- Holding a bloody severed head of the president.

- Screaming, "Fuq Trump" at an awards ceremony.

- Saying, "Fuq you" to the First Lady.

- Rooting for the economy to fail.

- Asking if the president's wife and daughter are dead on the inside.

- Accusing Trump of physically abusing Melania.

- Claiming Trump is running a child trafficking ring.

- Thinking that standing for the National Anthem is the same as the Nazi salute.

- Claims Trump has done more damage to our country than Bin Laden.

- Calls Trump a white supremacist.

- Calls Mike Pence's Christianity a mental illness.

etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....
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None of what you describe is a "classic liberal".

You perpetuate the same ol' schtick. Take a strawman position and pretend that it epitomizes liberals.

The equivalent on the left would be for somebody to declare all right-wingers as racist and point to a handful of examples ...
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“He is an animal,” Navarro wrote in reference to Trump. “Apologies to animals.”
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Is "Classical Liberal’ is Making a Comeback"making a comeback are is tRumpetors cannibalizing what is left of the"Classical Liberal’?

By DEREK ROBERTSON June 16, 2018

I really call myself a classical liberal more than a conservative.”

<Protests like the above have become common as of late from certain quadrants of the self-proclaimed, free-thinking “Intellectual Dark Web,” a loose confederacy of free speech absolutists that includes figures like the atheist writer Sam Harris and Peter Thiel sidekick Eric Weinstein. The “classical liberal” label has until now mostly been the domain of libertarian types and conservatives on the never-Trump end of the spectrum, such as Bill Kristol and much of the National Review staff, who are eager to root themselves in a tradition that connects the Founding Fathers to conservative philosophical icon Edmund Burke. Its recent surge in popularity, however, has come from twin phenomena—those conservatives’ intensifying desire to distance themselves from a Trump-ified Republican Party, and the term’s discovery by that new clique of anti-PC voices placing themselves in opposition to the supposedly illiberal campus left.>

<To the Intellectual Dark Web types who provide much of the energy behind the concept’s current resurgence, such civilizational arguments have been mere speed bumps on the way to a pure ideology of individualism and unlimited free speech—with emphasis on the latter. Internet talk show host Dave Rubin, who sells T-shirts emblazoned with the “classical liberal” label, has monologued in favor of “true tolerance of opinion and thought… a live and let live attitude.” He goes on to inveigh against the supposed illiberalism of the modern left, a unifying thread among those who have recently identified themselves as classical liberals from Jordan Peterson to Bari Weiss, the New York Times columnist who introduced the concept of the “Intellectual Dark Web” to a skeptical public. Their argument is that opposition to speech that in past decades would have faced less public opposition—advocating against the validity of transgender identities, for example, or that there are inherent intellectual differences between ethnic races—is tantamount to censorship.>

<In an era where those still faithful to old-fashioned, Goldwater-style movement conservatism have been relegated to the sidelines by Trump’s cannibalization of their party, that team may someday be their only option. The path forward may be pointed by the example of their ideological patron saint William F. Buckley—Buckley’s “fusionism” of the 1950s, the alliance of economic libertarians with the social conservatives and culture warriors of his day, allowed a niche intellectual movement to launch itself to the Republican presidential nomination in less than a decade.

<The partisan remnants of movement conservatism within the Republican Party and the culture warriors of the so-called “Intellectual Dark Web” make an analogue of sorts, if imperfect, to the mid-century Buckleyite alliance. To this point, the sniping at the latter over their use of the “classical liberal” label has been mostly from critics on the left, not those who have tended to it in the political darkness between these periodic moments of light. Ultimately, an intellectual legacy that stretches back to the time of monarchs resists by its nature any claim to authority from one or the other splinter group—but in that right may be flexible and inclusive enough to incubate the strange new alliances necessitated by the Trump era.>

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...omeback-218667
Well Trump does not have a thing to do with the topic, one which has been around since the early 1900s. Nice try. You should have done a better Google search.
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Classic Liberal:

- Holding a bloody severed head of the president.

- Screaming, "Fuq Trump" at an awards ceremony.

- Saying, "Fuq you" to the First Lady.

- Rooting for the economy to fail.

- Asking if the president's wife and daughter are dead on the inside.

- Accusing Trump of physically abusing Melania.

- Claiming Trump is running a child trafficking ring.

- Thinking that standing for the National Anthem is the same as the Nazi salute.

- Claims Trump has done more damage to our country than Bin Laden.

- Calls Trump a white supremacist.

- Calls Mike Pence's Christianity a mental illness.

etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....
I'd call all of that you listed an ideal example of why each of the so called self stated "liberals" who said/did those things are about as far from a classical liberal as can be. I classify those types as leftist and an example of why the word "liberal" has become an insult in the modern era. Generally speaking most modern day westerners and Americans in particular practice the belief in private property, an unhampered market economy, the rule of law and constitutional guarantees of freedom of religion the press as well as international peace based on free trade.
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Classic Liberal:

- Holding a bloody severed head of the president.

- Screaming, "Fuq Trump" at an awards ceremony.

- Saying, "Fuq you" to the First Lady.

- Rooting for the economy to fail.

- Asking if the president's wife and daughter are dead on the inside.

- Accusing Trump of physically abusing Melania.

- Claiming Trump is running a child trafficking ring.

- Thinking that standing for the National Anthem is the same as the Nazi salute.

- Claims Trump has done more damage to our country than Bin Laden.

- Calls Trump a white supremacist.

- Calls Mike Pence's Christianity a mental illness.

etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....
classic liberals are union supporters and believe in sane economic policy
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classic liberals are union supporters and believe in sane economic policy
I just go by what I see.

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the word "classic" is key here
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Well Trump does not have a thing to do with the topic, one which has been around since the early 1900s. Nice try. You should have done a better Google search.

I'd call all of that you listed an ideal example of why each of the so called self stated "liberals" who said/did those things are about as far from a classical liberal as can be. I classify those types as leftist and an example of why the word "liberal" has become an insult in the modern era. Generally speaking most modern day westerners and Americans in particular practice the belief in private property, an unhampered market economy, the rule of law and constitutional guarantees of freedom of religion the press as well as international peace based on free trade.
Classic Liberalism . . . is based on the conception of civil society. That wouldn't be anything tRump would be familiar with the exception of puten/kim jong-un/and a few other would be dicktaters on the ole rock we call home.
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