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Old 06-12-2018, 12:27 AM
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I like to read Salty's comments. I think it reminds us all everyday why we are Conservatives.

And to that I say "THANK YOU SALTY"
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I tend to agree. It's like listening to Maxine Walters or Nancy Pelosi.

Or some of my progressive professors in university.





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I have a number of close family relatives that are part of the 'resistance', and it is still all about Hate Trump. As I said, it actually surprised me that normally even keeled people would take such a stance.

There are any number of local Democrats that are using a 'Reclamation of Democratic Direction' platform, and it's directed at preventing/undoing anything that Trump has done.

Regardless of party, those with the hate so strong in them that either Trump undoing Obama, or anyone undoing Trump is good for that reason, is part of the problem. I would like to think that Trump might carry through with putting America first, but we shall see.
Since when and by whom did disagreeing politically with someone translate into hatred of the person?

There may be a few Democrats that actually hate Donald Trump but that's not what I'm seeing from those running for office. They're out there talking to the people about the issues that affect basically all of them.

One of the top issues today remains healthcare based upon opinion polls and yet we have a president that's violating his oath of office to "faithfully execute the office of President of the United States" by not just refusing to enforce our health care law (ACA/Obamacare) but is in an active campaign to destroy the purpose of the law. Obamacare has problems but Trump never even attempted to replace it with his promised healthcare law that would provide insurance for all Americans at a lower cost. The President, the chief executive officer of the United States is supposed to be trying to make the laws of Congress work, not destroy the intent of those laws to make them fail.

We can all oppose unnecessary regulations but that doesn't imply we should eliminate necessary regulations. Trump's head of the EPA, while embroiled in numerous scandals and violations of our laws, has been systematically destroying our environmental protections. Do you or I really want that stream where we go fishing to be contaminated with heavy metals and radio active elements for the next 1,000 years because Scott Pruitt removed the protections against coal companies dumping highly toxic coal ash into the river? Pruitt and the EPA have rolled back the EPA mandate that energy companies reduce emissions by 30% before 2030. Republicans claimed this would drive up energy costs and was an unreachable target but we have Xcel Energy with a proposal to close two coal powerplants near Pueblo CO replacing them with natural gas and renewable energy sources, increasing power output, cutting their current emissions by 60% while also being able to reduce costs for their customers.

While Trump has done little in the way of positive actions as president we must give credit where credit is due. After firing up the threat of war with North Korea Donald Trump met and signed an agreement with Kim Jong Un that takes us away from the path of war. The document itself promises nothing but Trump is no longer threatening war with North Korea and that's a huge improvement. Will it result in North Korea giving up it's nuclear weapons? Most agree it won't but they also point out that regardless of that failure Trump will never admit a mistake and will simply blame the failure on others but he won't go back to threatening war with North Korea because that would be an admission of his own failure. We've avoided war and Trump gets credit for that but war was only threatened because of Donald Trump. North Korea never wanted a war with the United States.

Of course Trump turning the G-7 into the G-6 based upon lies he's perpetuated against our allies, specifically Canada, is a serious concern. We actually have a trade surplus with Canada, Canada imports more agricultural and dairy goods from the US than it sells to the US so we have a trade surplus there as well, and the US imposes more tariffs on Canada than Canada does on the US (World Bank Statistics). Add to that the fact that Trump's lumber tariffs are adding an estimated $6,000 to the average price of a new home and that's hurting Americans in general including Trump supporters and there's good reason to oppose Trump politically.

Then there's always the inhuman issue of separating kids, including infants, from their parents that are seeking asylum in the United States under the provisions of our laws. I won't even go into the horror stories about this because the actions are so heinous that it's upsetting to even consider that our government could be so villainous in it's action s.

So how does opposition to these political issues have anything to do with hatred? How does offering solutions to these problems have anything to do with hatred? The Resistance is to what Donald Trump is doing and not to Donald Trump himself. If Trump wasn't doing all of these harmful things to America the Resistance would simply go away.
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Since when and by whom did disagreeing politically with someone translate into hatred of the person?

There may be a few Democrats that actually hate Donald Trump but that's not what I'm seeing from those running for office. They're out there talking to the people about the issues that affect basically all of them.

One of the top issues today remains healthcare based upon opinion polls and yet we have a president that's violating his oath of office to "faithfully execute the office of President of the United States" by not just refusing to enforce our health care law (ACA/Obamacare) but is in an active campaign to destroy the purpose of the law. Obamacare has problems but Trump never even attempted to replace it with his promised healthcare law that would provide insurance for all Americans at a lower cost. The President, the chief executive officer of the United States is supposed to be trying to make the laws of Congress work, not destroy the intent of those laws to make them fail.

We can all oppose unnecessary regulations but that doesn't imply we should eliminate necessary regulations. Trump's head of the EPA, while embroiled in numerous scandals and violations of our laws, has been systematically destroying our environmental protections. Do you or I really want that stream where we go fishing to be contaminated with heavy metals and radio active elements for the next 1,000 years because Scott Pruitt removed the protections against coal companies dumping highly toxic coal ash into the river? Pruitt and the EPA have rolled back the EPA mandate that energy companies reduce emissions by 30% before 2030. Republicans claimed this would drive up energy costs and was an unreachable target but we have Xcel Energy with a proposal to close two coal powerplants near Pueblo CO replacing them with natural gas and renewable energy sources, increasing power output, cutting their current emissions by 60% while also being able to reduce costs for their customers.

While Trump has done little in the way of positive actions as president we must give credit where credit is due. After firing up the threat of war with North Korea Donald Trump met and signed an agreement with Kim Jong Un that takes us away from the path of war. The document itself promises nothing but Trump is no longer threatening war with North Korea and that's a huge improvement. Will it result in North Korea giving up it's nuclear weapons? Most agree it won't but they also point out that regardless of that failure Trump will never admit a mistake and will simply blame the failure on others but he won't go back to threatening war with North Korea because that would be an admission of his own failure. We've avoided war and Trump gets credit for that but war was only threatened because of Donald Trump. North Korea never wanted a war with the United States.

Of course Trump turning the G-7 into the G-6 based upon lies he's perpetuated against our allies, specifically Canada, is a serious concern. We actually have a trade surplus with Canada, Canada imports more agricultural and dairy goods from the US than it sells to the US so we have a trade surplus there as well, and the US imposes more tariffs on Canada than Canada does on the US (World Bank Statistics). Add to that the fact that Trump's lumber tariffs are adding an estimated $6,000 to the average price of a new home and that's hurting Americans in general including Trump supporters and there's good reason to oppose Trump politically.

Then there's always the inhuman issue of separating kids, including infants, from their parents that are seeking asylum in the United States under the provisions of our laws. I won't even go into the horror stories about this because the actions are so heinous that it's upsetting to even consider that our government could be so villainous in it's action s.

So how does opposition to these political issues have anything to do with hatred? How does offering solutions to these problems have anything to do with hatred? The Resistance is to what Donald Trump is doing and not to Donald Trump himself. If Trump wasn't doing all of these harmful things to America the Resistance would simply go away.
Nice little sanitization of the vicious personal attacks against the President. The Resistance began to host violent demonstrations against Trump the day after he won the election far too early for any kind of rational opposition to his policies. People parading around with F Trump signs and foul mouthed actors receiving standing ovations from show business peers aren't interested in policy discussions to them your either in agreement that Trump is the problem or your one of his hard core supporters immune to their "facts".

Congressional Democrats are participating in the Resistance hysteria by unnecessarily slowing appointment confirmations with procedural roadblocks. Maxine waters began braying for Trump's impeachment before he was inaugurated. The hysterical demands for a special counsel and 911 style commission to investigate supposed Russian interference in our election as a means of undermining Trump's legitimacy. Then there is the fake dossier generated by the Democrat funded opposition research it was used as justification for secret surveillance of the Trump campaign and the lurid details were used to attack Trump personally. Wishes that the economy would crash as a means of getting rid of Trump are cheered of treated with indifference by the Resistance.

Then we have the threats of violence against Trump, blow up the White House and behead the President, as well as false allegations of sexual depravity, incest.

There is no evidence to support the ludicrous notion that the Resistance would melt away in Trump adopted policies more to the Democrats liking. Such a shift would be seen as an encouragement to redouble the Resistance personal hatred.
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Since when and by whom did disagreeing politically with someone translate into hatred of the person?

There may be a few Democrats that actually hate Donald Trump but that's not what I'm seeing from those running for office. They're out there talking to the people about the issues that affect basically all of them.

One of the top issues today remains healthcare based upon opinion polls and yet we have a president that's violating his oath of office to "faithfully execute the office of President of the United States" by not just refusing to enforce our health care law (ACA/Obamacare) but is in an active campaign to destroy the purpose of the law. Obamacare has problems but Trump never even attempted to replace it with his promised healthcare law that would provide insurance for all Americans at a lower cost. The President, the chief executive officer of the United States is supposed to be trying to make the laws of Congress work, not destroy the intent of those laws to make them fail.

We can all oppose unnecessary regulations but that doesn't imply we should eliminate necessary regulations. Trump's head of the EPA, while embroiled in numerous scandals and violations of our laws, has been systematically destroying our environmental protections. Do you or I really want that stream where we go fishing to be contaminated with heavy metals and radio active elements for the next 1,000 years because Scott Pruitt removed the protections against coal companies dumping highly toxic coal ash into the river? Pruitt and the EPA have rolled back the EPA mandate that energy companies reduce emissions by 30% before 2030. Republicans claimed this would drive up energy costs and was an unreachable target but we have Xcel Energy with a proposal to close two coal powerplants near Pueblo CO replacing them with natural gas and renewable energy sources, increasing power output, cutting their current emissions by 60% while also being able to reduce costs for their customers.

While Trump has done little in the way of positive actions as president we must give credit where credit is due. After firing up the threat of war with North Korea Donald Trump met and signed an agreement with Kim Jong Un that takes us away from the path of war. The document itself promises nothing but Trump is no longer threatening war with North Korea and that's a huge improvement. Will it result in North Korea giving up it's nuclear weapons? Most agree it won't but they also point out that regardless of that failure Trump will never admit a mistake and will simply blame the failure on others but he won't go back to threatening war with North Korea because that would be an admission of his own failure. We've avoided war and Trump gets credit for that but war was only threatened because of Donald Trump. North Korea never wanted a war with the United States.

Of course Trump turning the G-7 into the G-6 based upon lies he's perpetuated against our allies, specifically Canada, is a serious concern. We actually have a trade surplus with Canada, Canada imports more agricultural and dairy goods from the US than it sells to the US so we have a trade surplus there as well, and the US imposes more tariffs on Canada than Canada does on the US (World Bank Statistics). Add to that the fact that Trump's lumber tariffs are adding an estimated $6,000 to the average price of a new home and that's hurting Americans in general including Trump supporters and there's good reason to oppose Trump politically.

Then there's always the inhuman issue of separating kids, including infants, from their parents that are seeking asylum in the United States under the provisions of our laws. I won't even go into the horror stories about this because the actions are so heinous that it's upsetting to even consider that our government could be so villainous in it's action s.

So how does opposition to these political issues have anything to do with hatred? How does offering solutions to these problems have anything to do with hatred? The Resistance is to what Donald Trump is doing and not to Donald Trump himself. If Trump wasn't doing all of these harmful things to America the Resistance would simply go away.
One of the biggest fallacies that was used to justify the creation of Obamacare was the deliberate choice by democrats to ignore what public opinion polling had to say with regard to health care prior to the creation of the PPCACA. Which was that the majority of the public wanted to see healthcare reform, reform rather than a government take over of the same. Then through procedural trickery and literally locking out the republicans (they literally changed the locks on the doors in order to lock republicans out) the democrats rammed Obamacare down the throats of everyone in the country. President Trump was elected in large part due to his promise to do away with Obamacare.

So you can see why your premise that Trump is violating his oath of office by not supporting a "law" with an ethically challenged premise creation and implementation is patently absurd. Nice try, but no cigar.

Regarding the so called inhuman practice of separating children from their parents? Well you mean law breaking trespassers who brought their children with them while committing a criminal act. Which is entirely different than legally seeking asylum. But just like in the United States and everywhere else on the planet, if you get arrested while committing a criminal act and you brought your kids with you while doing that? You get separated from your children while the legal system goes to work. The same thing happens to American citizens and always has and the same thing happens to citizens of other nations. The same thing happened under every administration prior to Trump, so that argument is not holding water simply because it is so specious. Again nice try, but no cigar for you.

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One of the biggest fallacies that was used to justify the creation of Obamacare was the deliberate choice by democrats to ignore what public opinion polling had to say with regard to health care prior to the creation of the PPCACA. Which was that the majority of the public wanted to see healthcare reform, reform rather than a government take over of the same. Then through procedural trickery and literally locking out the republicans (they literally changed the locks on the doors in order to lock republicans out) the democrats rammed Obamacare down the throats of everyone in the country. President Trump was elected in large part due to his promise to do away with Obamacare.

So you can see why your premise that Trump is violating his oath of office by not supporting a "law" with an ethically challenged premise creation and implementation is patently absurd. Nice try, but no cigar.

Regarding the so called inhuman practice of separating children from their parents? Well you mean law breaking trespassers who brought their children with them while committing a criminal act. Which is entirely different than legally seeking asylum. But just like in the United States and everywhere else on the planet, if you get arrested while committing a criminal act and you brought your kids with you while doing that? You get separated from your children while the legal system goes to work. The same thing happens to American citizens and always has and the same thing happens to citizens of other nations. The same thing happened under every administration prior to Trump, so that argument is not holding water simply because it is so specious. Again nice try, but no cigar for you.
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Parents are supposed to feed their children and care for their children.
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Parents are supposed to feed their children and care for their children.
Having children to feed and house is a self inflicted responsibility. Perhaps we should be teaching our up and coming generations about "accountability?" Instead we teach them how the government should pay their bills.
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Having children to feed and house is a self inflicted responsibility. Perhaps we should be teaching our up and coming generations about "accountability?"
That would be in direct conflict to the values of the Democratic party that suggest that only the rich are to be held accountable and that they are accountable for all of the problems in this country.
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