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Old 02-06-2018, 04:53 PM
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I've seen those lists. The Clinton's have been around for thirty years. People die. It's difficult to connect the Clinton's to most of them. Someone dies of a heart attack in a prison cell. Someone runs a motorcycle under a truck. A couple got killed in plane crashes. How dd the Clinton's manage that?

I knew Ed Willey. He was a client of mine. Ed was over extended in the real estate market. Kathleen is alive and well and lives a few miles from my home. There is no real connection between Ed's suicide and Slick Willy. Kathleen, in desperate financial straights, went looking for a job. Got propositioned instead. Typical Billy Boy, but not grounds for murder.

And no, I'm not a Clinton fan. Far from it.
It's just a coincidence that so many people around the Clintons have died. Some were accidents, some suicides, some robberies, some very strange.
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It's just a coincidence that so many people around the Clintons have died. Some were accidents, some suicides, some robberies, some very strange.
IMO the Clintons have been part of mafia like political machines as well as connected with criminal types that have profited from their power/positions. and THEREFORE when they were threaten others "took care of it" . not by any orders from the Clintons but simply as a matter of business, taking care of assets and biz associates.


some (many?) deaths on the various list were in fact coincidence no doubt. but several people were in fact killed for political and/or criminal reasons that had CLOSE Clinton connections.

the Death and subsequent cover up of the the 2 boys in Arkansas found dead on the train tracks, and many of the deaths surrounding that. And then there's Vince Fosters death. those are the 2 sets of cases i'm most familiar with, and in both cases I'm convinced that the Clintons were a connected to those murders. And I call them murders and not suicides, becasue the evidence is there to say so..
But there are others as well that do not seems like just highly improbable coincidences. But how many do you need to become leery of getting on the Clinton's bad side?

I think the pride of country feeds our denial about such things ever happening here. It helps keep us blind. But when we hear of Russian or Chinese reporters or former friends of some South American President dying in a weird way we don't hesitate to put 2 and 2 together. Even with a LITTLE evidence. But somehow here in the USA we don't think our politicians would do such a thing.

But hey, People have killed for FAR less money and power than the Clintons have had access too. What would people be willing to do to have the power of a governor or the president of the U.S.?
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IMO the Clintons have been part of mafia like political machines as well as connected with criminal types that have profited from their power/positions. and THEREFORE when they were threaten others "took care of it" . not by any orders from the Clintons but simply as a matter of business, taking care of assets and biz associates.


some (many?) deaths on the various list were in fact coincidence no doubt. but several people were in fact killed for political and/or criminal reasons that had CLOSE Clinton connections.

the Death and subsequent cover up of the the 2 boys in Arkansas found dead on the train tracks, and many of the deaths surrounding that. And then there's Vince Fosters death. those are the 2 sets of cases i'm most familiar with, and in both cases I'm convinced that the Clintons were a connected to those murders. And I call them murders and not suicides, becasue the evidence is there to say so..
But there are others as well that do not seems like just highly improbable coincidences. But how many do you need to become leery of getting on the Clinton's bad side?

I think the pride of country feeds our denial about such things ever happening here. It helps keep us blind. But when we hear of Russian or Chinese reporters or former friends of some South American President dying in a weird way we don't hesitate to put 2 and 2 together. Even with a LITTLE evidence. But somehow here in the USA we don't think our politicians would do such a thing.

But hey, People have killed for FAR less money and power than the Clintons have had access too. What would people be willing to do to have the power of a governor or the president of the U.S.?
Wholeheartedly agree.
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Of course it would. It just wouldn't be recovering like it is now. Instead it would be continuing the Obama nose-dive.
Nosedive? Where?







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Nosedive? Where?
I agree there wasn't a nosedive, but once again...

1) Not one year above 3% GDP (First president to do that)...

2) Quantitative Easing propped up banks and other financial institutions to the tune of over 4 trillion dollars...
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I agree there wasn't a nosedive, but once again...

1) Not one year above 3% GDP (First president to do that)...
True, but what does that mean? We haven't had a year over 3% since 2005 and that growth was due to a housing bubble, a year over 4% since 2000 (tech bubble), and no year over 5% since 1984. If you look at annual growth over time, it appears to have been slowing down on average since the 1980s if not earlier than that. A lot of that has to do with increased global competition more than probably most other reasons. This idea that growth under Obama was especially "bad" just doesn't pan out looking at the historical data.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

2017 ended with 2.3% growth, more jobs, and more stock value, similar to every year since 2010. At the same time, Trump and the GOP have been bragging about how great things are going for the past year. If this is true, then things were great under Obama.

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2) Quantitative Easing propped up banks and other financial institutions to the tune of over 4 trillion dollars...
Okay but even after QE ended, stocks still kept climbing and banks grew. We've been in a bull market for the past 8 years and change. Hopefully that doesn't change given this week's craziness, but I am getting flashbacks to 2008. I remember the Dow going bonkers before we went into the crash proper.

Regardless, I just hate this demonstrably untrue notion that we stagnated, or took a nosedive according to Hairy, during Obama's tenure.
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True, but what does that mean? We haven't had a year over 3% since 2005 and that growth was due to a housing bubble, a year over 4% since 2000 (tech bubble), and no year over 5% since 1984. If you look at annual growth over time, it appears to have been slowing down on average since the 1980s if not earlier than that. A lot of that has to do with increased global competition more than probably most other reasons. This idea that growth under Obama was especially "bad" just doesn't pan out looking at the historical data.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

2017 ended with 2.3% growth, more jobs, and more stock value, similar to every year since 2010. At the same time, Trump and the GOP have been bragging about how great things are going for the past year. If this is true, then things were great under Obama.



Okay but even after QE ended, stocks still kept climbing and banks grew. We've been in a bull market for the past 8 years and change. Hopefully that doesn't change given this week's craziness, but I am getting flashbacks to 2008. I remember the Dow going bonkers before we went into the crash proper.

Regardless, I just hate this demonstrably untrue notion that we stagnated, or took a nosedive according to Hairy, during Obama's tenure.
Could it be that they wanted to keep growth in check, so that interest rates would stay at historic lows and keep inflation down? This stuff is kind of a vicious circle IMO.
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How did you celebrate America's one year anniversary of dodging a left wing lesbian dictator for an American President?
Fortunately the USA is not a dictatorship. One person doesn't have enough power to destroy it.
We survived a a civil war, 2 world wars. Racial strife, opposed wars, unpopular wars, dumb laws, dumb Presidents etc.
I think we would survive Hillary (or Trump) or you or me.
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Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that the booming economy, new jobs, lower unemployment and lower taxes, are not to the credit of President Trump.

To the OP question then, We would be different for sure. Because none of the shenanigans played under Obama would now becoming to the light of day.

Things like this...;
HUGE: Comey was FORCED to tell Congress about Weiner emails only because George Toscas at DOJ found out about them!



This is huge because it indicates that Comey intentionally omitted the use of information which would harm Hillary Clinton. He played both sides. Perhaps that is why THE Donald removed him from office.

Perhaps we should stop using statistics, given without context, and look to the real damage done in 8 years of messing with justice, and how much more damage would have been done with Hilary extending the Obama policies whilst the headlines fanned the flames of social injustice.

My conclusion is we are different now than two years ago and for the better. Because the very structure of our government, having been altered and corroded by the swamp critters, is now being restored.
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The nation is beginning to see the light of it.

Poll: 50% Think Federal Officials Broke the Law To Block Trump Presidency


Court of public opinion, is perhaps swinging to The President?

His approval ratings rank about the same as Obama at this time in their respective terms.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-approv...ma-same-761948
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