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tRUmp, being as dumb and useful idiot as ever, says US will cut off money to Palestinians, if they don't return to table.

Hmmmm...wonder who would be happy to see a vacuum left by the US? Who POSSIBLY could be looking for increased influence?




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Russia appears poised to play a major role in supporting a sovereign state of Palestine and has noticeably increased economic cooperation, investment and higher-education scholarships. This was one of the conclusions a joint Russian-Palestinian committee and some 30 business executives reached during a high-level visit to Ramallah during the second week of September.

Palestinian Ambassador to Moscow Abdel Hafiz Nofal said Moscow wants to play a much more active role in the Palestinian issue. Speaking at a press conference Sept. 14 at the Palestinian Journalists Syndicate in Ramallah, Nofal said the bilateral relationship is strong.

“The solid relationship between Russia and Palestine will have a positive effect on the Palestinian cause now that [Russia] has made it clear that what happens in our area is part of its sphere of vital influence," he said.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/orig...#ixzz55Dm6yhPb
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Ummm....

Trump's talk of cutting off funding was a few weeks ago...

Your source says the Russian-Palestinian meeting happened in SEPTEMBER...

So this happened MONTHS before any mention of funding cuts...Russia is attempting to create economic ties irrelevant of Trump...
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Ummm....

Trump's talk of cutting off funding was a few weeks ago...

Your source says the Russian-Palestinian meeting happened in SEPTEMBER...

So this happened MONTHS before any mention of funding cuts...Russia is attempting to create economic ties irrelevant of Trump...
so?

Russia is increasing its worldwide influence, while tRUmp is retreating and weakening America's influence. I don't understand what the date proves or disproves? Its not like tRUmp hasn't been trying to piss of the Palestinians since day one, and its not like Russia just started talking to Palestine in September.

The point is that time and time again, tRUmps foreign policy always seems to work out in Russia's favor.
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so?

Russia is increasing its worldwide influence, while tRUmp is retreating and weakening America's influence. I don't understand what the date proves or disproves? Its not like tRUmp hasn't been trying to piss of the Palestinians since day one, and its not like Russia just started talking to Palestine in September.

The point is that time and time again, tRUmps foreign policy always seems to work out in Russia's favor.
How is Trump threatening to cut off funding, retreating? Why should be reward them for failing to come to the table to negotiate? What is their incentive? Unless you make them choose between the money and the negotiation, they don't have any incentive but to continue to create chaos in the region.
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If the Russians want to waste their tax payer dollars on that country then let them.
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tRUmp, being as dumb and useful idiot as ever, says US will cut off money to Palestinians, if they don't return to table.

Hmmmm...wonder who would be happy to see a vacuum left by the US? Who POSSIBLY could be looking for increased influence?
Are you saying it would be like the vacuum that Obama left in Iraq, Egypt, Libya and Yemen? Of course Obama's vacuum was filled by terrorist that love to kill women and children.......wait! HOLD THE PHONE! are you saying Russia will start killing people like ISIS, Al Queda, and the Muslim Brotherhood? Well, now THAT'S a problem, I hope your wrong.
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Are you saying it would be like the vacuum that Obama left in Iraq, Egypt, Libya and Yemen? Of course Obama's vacuum was filled by terrorist that love to kill women and children.......wait! HOLD THE PHONE! are you saying Russia will start killing people like ISIS, Al Queda, and the Muslim Brotherhood? Well, now THAT'S a problem, I hope your wrong.
Lolz. No I'm saying that trumps foreign policy decisions are at the very least influenced by what will help and advance Russian interests. Whatever you think of Obama and his failures and successes at least nobody can question that his foreign policy was based on advancing American interests and our allies.

Not our enemys. Everything tRUmp has done for some reason always ends up helping Russia.

I think we all know why.
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If the Russians want to waste their tax payer dollars on that country then let them.

Israel might have something to say about that. You know, our most important Ally in the Middle East.
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How is Trump threatening to cut off funding, retreating? Why should be reward them for failing to come to the table to negotiate? What is their incentive? Unless you make them choose between the money and the negotiation, they don't have any incentive but to continue to create chaos in the region.
I know it's not an easy subject and there is a lot of nuance. They dont talk about this on Fox and Friends. But if we were to just cut off Palestine and allow Russia to waltz in and support the extremists how do you think that would work out? Would it make America and Israel safer?

Or do you think it might be more in our interests to at least do what we can to support the moderates in Palestine while keeping the extremists as a minority? This isn't a pretty option either, but the alternatives are worse.
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I know it's not an easy subject and there is a lot of nuance. They dont talk about this on Fox and Friends. But if we were to just cut off Palestine and allow Russia to waltz in and support the extremists how do you think that would work out? Would it make America and Israel safer?

Or do you think it might be more in our interests to at least do what we can to support the moderates in Palestine while keeping the extremists as a minority? This isn't a pretty option either, but the alternatives are worse.
Palestine is run by the PLO which is essentially a terrorist organization. The US should in no way be sending money their way. That would be like sending money to Iran. Oh wait, who did that again?

You don't fund terrorists, you isolate them. If Russia decides to get in bed with them, let them as they will eventually bite Russia also. And when they do, Russia will deal with it in ways that we never would.

The people of Palestine need to decide what is in their best interest. They can continue down their current path of resist, terrorize and play victim to their own deeds, or they can sit down, work on a peaceful resolution to their issues and decide live in peace with and among their neighbors. They will never do this as their ideology trumps common sense, just like most of the cultures in the ME that decide to live by ancient rules laid down centuries ago by men that were afraid of the people in the next valley over.
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