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"Laura Kipnis (born 1956) is an American cultural critic and essayist. A feminist intellectual, her work focuses on, gender issues and politics, aesthetics and popular culture. She began her career as a video artist, exploring similar themes in the form of video essays. She is professor of media studies at Northwestern University in the Department of Radio-TV-Film, where she teaches filmmaking.

In this interview, she talks about her title IX complains and the stifling culture of political correctness on college campus. Full clip, quoted under fair use:..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRBX1wFuf7I"
people on the left also complain of out of control political correctness and how colleges/students/ are taking teachers and faculty of all stripes into "star chambers" getting them silenced and or fired. "title 9" federal law is being stretched to fit whatever the complaint. and the accused are legally gagged and not faced with accusers or even a clear complaint in some cases.

prof here says she's spoken about this to progressive factually elsewhere but often she's not believed

I wish there was a a way to break through 1st the disbelief, then the mindset that makes some people think they should not even have to HEAR other's POV and therefore think it's legal and proper to silence other's free speech ON or OFF campus.
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Social Justice Warrior calls for mass censorship at universities
"Speaking on the BBC's Daily Politics with Andrew Neill, commentator Kaite Welsh argues against author Rod Liddle, and says that people and material that offend those who are not straight, white men should be banned from universities. This discussion comes one month after Milo Yiannopolous was prevented from speaking at the University of California, which led scientist Sam Harris to say this: "What worries me at the moment is the Left is capable of doing everything wrong in response to the rise of the so-called alt right and the Trump presidency. This antipathy towards free speech and the idea that rioting to prevent a lecture is an example of liberal free speech in action - that is so confused and destructive that I'm tempted to say the Left is irredeemable at the moment. Milo is a performance artist; a professional troll. The response at Berkeley wouldn't have been warranted if he was a KKK activist. The moment you use violence to prevent someone from speaking, you're on the wrong side of the argument. How is that not obvious? Would you burn down your university to prevent someone from expressing views you could otherwise just criticise? This is almost entirely a phenomenon of the Left. If you heard that a college campus had erupted in violence
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correctness, eating, kipnis, laura, left, now, political, the, toobecause a student mob wanted to prevent a lecture from taking place, and the attendees were spat at and attacked as they entered, you could bet with 99% confidence that this was from the Left. In the age of Trump, when you really want to be able to say things against creeping right wing authoritarianism, having an authoritarian anti free speech movement subsume the Left is a disaster politically. It's no accident that the women's march, which otherwise seemed like a great thing, was vitiated by its alliance with Linda Sarsour and these closeted and semi-closeted Islamists who have co-opted the women's movement and apparently convinced millions of women that the hijab is a sign of female empowerment. That's fairly mind boggling. You should be free to wear the hijab if you want to, but you must also recognise that most women throughout the world are veiled that way not out of free choice. They're living in a community in which they'll be treated like whores or worse if they dont veil themselves. That's not the political empowerment of women. This is how the Left will die. By, on the basis of its own moral relativism, locking arms with Islamism and stealth theocracy. If you travel too far right on the political spectrum you will encounter the most repulsive, callous and authoritarian attitudes. But if you travel too far left you will encounter a moral confusion and identity politics that is in its actual application to the world, little better.""
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Political Correctness, is one of my biggest problems with the left.

People need to learn that words do not hurt anyone, unless you want them to.

If you respect yourself and others, nothing anyone says should be able to hurt you.

Stifling free speech is a slippery slope, where in the end everybody loses.
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another serious problem that comes with it is that people have a harder time trying to deal with any real issues that may underlie the over the top PC reactions of banning, firing "shouting down" etc..


A lot of what they seemed to be concerned about though could be covered with request of, how about being more polite.
...or ignoring or real content based debate.
the Radial Islam style responses are just crazy and Orwellian.
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What some people just don't comprehend, is that if someone should find what 'you' say offensive, and silence you, then what is to prevent someone from silencing the next person, and the next.

The 'never me' crowd hasn't matured enough to understand that their rights stop, where someone else's begins.

I may not agree or like what someone else has to say, but I will support their right to think or say it.
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another serious problem that comes with it is that people have a harder time trying to deal with any real issues that may underlie the over the top PC reactions of banning, firing "shouting down" etc..


A lot of what they seemed to be concerned about though could be covered with request of, how about being more polite.
...or ignoring or real content based debate.
the Radial Islam style responses are just crazy and Orwellian.
Laura Kipnis is just another casualty of the PC regressive left mindset. She was brought up on Title 9 complaints but could defend herself because of tenure. She talks about other students and Profs. being brought up on specious charges such as "creating a hostile environment" which is exactly what Lindsay Shepherd was accused of in her recorded inquisition at Laurier University in Canada. Of course, Shepherd's case involved the application of C-16, not Title 9, but the point is the "overlap" that has been used by the regressives to keep hammering away at free speech and unpalatable ideas.
Progressively dominant Evergreen State College turned on liberal professor Bret Weinstein. He and his wife, also a valued professor, settled a lawsuit with the college and departed the toxic atmosphere. It was a combination of a few activist groups at Evergreen, with some faculty support, that tried to shut down Weinstein who told his story to the press.
I wondered if Kipnis had talked to Dave Rubin, and indeed she had. She goes into detail about "mission creep" in relation to Title 9.


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I'll say what I want, and no snowflakes or assorted fruit salads are going to silence me.
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Default Re: Laura Kipnis: Political Correctness is Now Eating the Left Too

Political correctness will always be a staple of the left. The party attracts those that are offended by everything.

Funny thing is libs are far more racist and intolerant than most conservatives. Their views on whites, Christians, Jews, Southerners, etc. are extremely low.
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I'll say what I want, and no snowflakes or assorted fruit salads are going to silence me.
I believe you. The snowflakes have gained some power on University and other school campuses. Kipnis explains that it started with something she calls "collegiate letters" that broadened Title 9 authority and bypassed due process on campuses. She gives credit to Betsy DeVos for dealing with the "letters".
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