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Old 01-04-2018, 08:28 AM
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This is so wrong I don't even know where to begin.....


This practice needs to be taken to court and any victims should sue the dept. to the gills.......

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Give a Cop a title and it goes to his head. They think this special training this cop has he can detect drugs that standard blood tests can't. Bullschitt! There is another video after the one posted and it looks like Cobb County is getting themselves a major law suit.
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not a surprise that it's Cobb County
Gestapo techniques should be banned.
When is it going to be time for a universal set of rules for American police training?
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The Cobb County officer's skills are anything but accurate and full proof. Alcohol impairment can be confirmed or r/o immediately but not with other substances, especially THC. The turn around results on blood and urine should not take weeks or months but a few days. I don't doubt that Cobb County has snagged some pot heads and were able to prosecute but not because of excellent police work but due to the odds. These days, the chance of pulling over someone taking some sort of psycho active medication is statistically high. We don't know how many people have taken plea deals for other substances that have metabolites showing up in small quantities. Cobb County, Ga. can't be the only place where this is going on.
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The Cobb County officer's skills are anything but accurate and full proof...
Didn't you watch the video? Even after the blood and urine tests came back clean, law enforcement took the position that the officer was correct and the tests were somehow defective.

Only after the pot head drivers had spent thousands of dollars in legal fees did they drop the charges. So while they weren't convicted, they were effectively punished anyway. That'll show em.
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Give a Cop a title and it goes to his head. They think this special training this cop has he can detect drugs that standard blood tests can't. Bullschitt! There is another video after the one posted and it looks like Cobb County is getting themselves a major law suit.
Hell. Even drug sniffing dogs have serious accuracy problems.
The Chicago Tribune sifted through three years worth of cases in which law enforcement used dogs to sniff out drugs in cars in suburban Chicago. According to the analysis, officers found drugs or paraphernalia in only 44 percent of cases in which the dogs had alerted them.

When the driver was Latino, the dogs were right just just 27 percent of the time. The paper explains:
Dog-handling officers and trainers argue the canine teams' accuracy shouldn't be measured in the number of alerts that turn up drugs. They said the scent of drugs or paraphernalia can linger in a car after drugs are used or sold, and the dogs' noses are so sensitive they can pick up residue from drugs that can no longer be found in a car.
The Tribune spoke to a few dog experts and they almost universally blamed the handlers:
Dog handlers can accidentally cue alerts from their dogs by leading them too slowly or too many times around a vehicle, said Lawrence Myers, an Auburn University professor who studies detector dogs. Myers pointed to the "Clever Hans" phenomenon in the early 1900s, named after a horse whose owner claimed the animal could read and do math before a psychologist determined the horse was actually responding to his master's unwitting cues.

Training is the key to eliminating accidental cues and false alerts, said Paul Waggoner of Auburn's detector-dog research program.

"Is there a potential for handlers to cue these dogs to alert?" he asked. "The answer is a big, resounding yes."
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ten-than-right

But at least the drug sniffing dog is just used as a tool to justify vehicular search. To my understanding, arrests are not made based solely on the dog's "testimony".

There needs to be some serious evaluation of what these officers are doing.
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"There are various involuntary responses that indicate to me that you under the influence of drugs."
"the test results were wrong"
"they believe they are BETTER than drug testing"


guilty until proven innocent. ... by a drug test.
But if the cops have their way they are guilty becasue THEY SAY you are.
becasue they KNOW BETTER.

How do you even talk to LEOs about issues like this when they believe that they and their "brothers" are ALWAYS right?
Especially if they truly are doing a good job in other areas.
Story kinda sums up the impasse LEOs V "Civilians"

you know maybe part of the training cops ought to have is on critical thinking skills, humility. and... oh yes the Constitution.
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this City Gives incentives for MORE DUI arrest.
soo guess what happens?
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this City Gives incentives for MORE DUI arrest.
soo guess what happens?
huh
upgraded since the 70s when cops just got a chewing from the mayor if not enough traffic tickets and money in the christmas fund if they met their quota.
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Didn't you watch the video? Even after the blood and urine tests came back clean, law enforcement took the position that the officer was correct and the tests were somehow defective.

Only after the pot head drivers had spent thousands of dollars in legal fees did they drop the charges. So while they weren't convicted, they were effectively punished anyway. That'll show em.
Yes, I watched the video and I do think it's wrong to press prosecutions based on no real evidence. Urine and blood screen results should be available within a short time and if they're not, case gets dropped and the sheriff's dept. pays the cost. I'm also not comfortable with the criteria for probable cause in these cases because it's guesswork and certain officers will often get it wrong.
Crossing the center line on a country road while being sober and absolutely free of intoxicants is not unusual.
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