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Old 12-31-2017, 08:10 PM
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Of what drastic measures are you speaking?

President rump has the constitutional legal power to shut this down anytime he wants. He has not done so. Instead letting the left and the media ( like they are not one in the same anymore) stew in their own spin while going about the process of keeping his campaign promises.

As far as I care, Mueller can keep on digging. Doesn't seem to have been able to catch more than two or three people for actions having nothing to do with the so called Trump collusion for which his SP powers were commissioned.

I betting the reason for that is there is nothing there. A growing public consensus agrees. Or no longer even cares. So, the longer this goes on the less credibility will be attached to the entire fiasco.

And, as well, to those who frantically continue to demand it be done
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The Mueller investigation is funded by the budget authorizations for the FBI that fund all FBI criminal investigations. It does not have special Congressional funding. Congress can cut the FBI budget but it cannot specifically cut the funding for Mueller's investigation because there's no special funding authority to be addressed.

Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos are not "Trump haters" but both plead guilty to the FBI to cover up their contacts with Russian operatives in an apparent attempt to shield Donald Trump from being connected to the Russians.

Michael Flynn's confession is of special importance because we know Flynn was discussing the lifting of sanctions against Russia once Trump took office. Flynn couldn't lift the sanctions, only Trump could, and Flynn would not have been discussing the lifting of the sanction without Trump's approval because only Trump could lift those sanctions. Logic would indicate that Flynn can implicate Trump by establishing a quid pro quo arrangement between Donald Trump and Russia (Putin) where Russia would engage in covert operations, that included the felonious hacking of Democratic emails, to help Trump get elected and in turn Trump would lift the sanctions against Russia. That exceeds the non-criminal act of collusion and introduces the a criminal charge of conspiracy to commit a crime (hacking of the Democratic emails by Russia) by Donald Trump.

This would be on top of the current evidence of obstruction of justice against Donald Trump where the White House Council advised Trump that Flynn was under a criminal investigation and then Trump attempted to get Comey to drop that criminal investigation. The White House Council's notes document his advising Trump of the criminal acts Flynn was under investigation for and Comey's testimony supported by his notes taken at the time and his discussing what Trump had said to him at the time with other top FBI members provides compelling evidence of obstruction of justice. Donald Trump, a documented compulsive liar, only has his own potential testimony to use as a defense against the evidence him.

Mueller didn't let Flynn off lightly by only charging him with perjury in lying to the FBI without Flynn providing compelling evidence that would reach higher in the White House and the only person of importance higher than Flynn in the Trump White House is Donald Trump. To believe that Flynn hasn't implicated Trump in a deal with Russia to drop sanctions requires living in a bubble that blocks out all reality.

Typically a prosecutor, including Robert Mueller, will not bring charges against a person until an investigation is complete to the point that indictments can be obtained for all criminal charges that will be brought against the person. As noted Mueller apparently has enough evidence for the obstruction of justice complaint and possibly has enough evidence for a conspiracy charge against Trump but may still be searching for additional evidence or testimony to back up Flynn's potential testimony. While Flynn would certainly be very significant witness in prosecuting Trump for conspiracy the prosecution would certainly want more than a single witness.

In addition to seeking to find more evidence related to a possible conspiracy charge the Mueller investigation may also be investigating other possible crimes by Donald Trusmp. There's been circumstantial evidence of the Trump Organizations involvement with Russian organized crime including possible money laundering. The fact that members of Russian organized crime were purchasing Trump property to launder money the received by their illegal activities in Russia has already been documented but a connection to Donald Trump being involved hasn't been publically revealed. At a time when Trump was in severe financial difficulties, unable to secure funding through conventional banking institutions, there's potential evidence of Russian organized crime providing the funding for the Trump Soho development that was channeled through a third party lender.

Robert Mueller has organized the Dream Team of prosecutors that have the expertise and proven background in providing the evidence for conviction in all criminal activities under his investigation.

Republicans in Congress have complained that most of Mueller's prosecutors have liberal political connections but their political opinions have absolutely nothing to do with their success in prosecuting criminal activities at the highest level. "Liberals" are often referred to as "Trump Haters" but when it comes to investigating and prosecuting criminal offenses only the evidence matters.

Mueller couldn't have cared less about their political opinion when he selected them. Mueller only cared about their track record as prosecutors and he selected the best people available. Mueller's not involved in a political investigation where the political opinions of the prosecutors could be relevant. Mueller's involved in a criminal investigation where only the competence of the prosecutors in obtaining evidence and prosecuting a criminal case in courtroom is important.

Only the evidence matters and as of right now the evidence of criminal offenses committed by Donald Trump continues to build. There's apparently enough already for some criminal charges and there's strong indications of evidence being collected for more serious crimes committed by Donald Trump.

Time to get out of the bubble and face reality Trump supporters. Trump really is going to be criminally connected with the Russians and face criminal indictments. You can bet the farm on that happening.
Another lengthy rant filled with partisan inaccuracies and untruths.

Mueller's grand inquisition is funded by a special Treasury account.

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Former FBI Director Robert S. Mueller started as special counsel to oversee the bureauís investigation of alleged Russian efforts to impact the 2016 presidential election, but the cost of his work wonít be part of the regular appropriations process.

The funds for Mueller and his team come from a Treasury Department account for permanent, indefinite appropriations, said Lee Lofthus, the assistant attorney general for administration and a budget expert at the Justice Department.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politi...e-funding-path

FYI Congress has the power to determine what will be funded or not.

Trump told Comey he hoped he could let Flynn's misstatements go. Later on he agreed with Comey about the need for a through investigation according to Comey's memo.

The DOJ had decided Flynn's inconsistencies did not rise to the level of criminal offense but Mueller's band of zealots decided otherwise as a part of their partisan political jihad.

Mueller's so-called dream team of prosecutors is so desperate to gin up convictions they destroyed the credibility of their cooperating witnesses by having them plead guilty to lying.

Let's see, wrong about funding, wrong about obstruction and the credibility of cooperating witnesses destroyed. What has Mueller's lynch mob uncovered to prove collusion with the Russians? Nothing.
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Trump told Comey he hoped he could let Flynn's misstatements go.
The White House Council did not tell Donald Trump that Flynn had made innocent "misstatements" to the FBI but instead, after meeting with (acting) Attorney General Sally Yates, that Flynn was suspected of making false statements to the FBI as well as potentially violating the Logan Act, and it was possible that Flynn was guilty of one or both of these serious felonies.

Donald Trump knew that the FBI was focused on the commission of serious felonies by Michael Flynn when he asked Comey to "let Flynn go" and that was an attempt to terminate a criminal investigation by the President - or under the law it's Obstruction of Justice.

What Trump might have said later in an attempt to cover-up his obstruction of justice is irrelevant. He knew at the time he asked Comey to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn that Flynn was under a criminal investigation.

We also know that Flynn meet with the Russians to assure them that the sanctions being imposed by President Obama as a response to the Russian intervention in the US elections were going to be ended by Donald Trump. Flynn could only make that commitment based upon Donald Trump telling Flynn that he was going to end those sanctions. Every action by Donald Trump since the election has been to dismiss the investigations into the Russian intervention as being a hoax but we know it wasn't a hoax. Under Trump the US government has made no efforts to prevent future Russian intervention into our elections.

As far as I can determine there was an active agreement between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, probably made through surrogates, that involved Russia helping Trump get elected and in return Trump would provide special favorable treatment for Russia. Christopher Steele's sources also provided intelligence (not evidence) indicating that such an agreement existed. It's up to Mueller's team, the FBI, and the CIA to determine the creditability of the intelligence as well as attempting to find the evidence to prove the allegation if true.

Russia was not going to help Trump if Trump didn't makes some kind of commitment to return the favor for Russia. Logic dictates that a Quid Pro Quo agreement either explicit or implied existed between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin because Putin wasn't going to waste his efforts if he was to get nothing in return. Trump's demonstrated he's that stupid (will do something for nothing) but Putin is a very crafty person that doesn't do anything for free.
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The White House Council did not tell Donald Trump that Flynn had made innocent "misstatements" to the FBI but instead, after meeting with (acting) Attorney General Sally Yates, that Flynn was suspected of making false statements to the FBI as well as potentially violating the Logan Act, and it was possible that Flynn was guilty of one or both of these serious felonies.

Donald Trump knew that the FBI was focused on the commission of serious felonies by Michael Flynn when he asked Comey to "let Flynn go" and that was an attempt to terminate a criminal investigation by the President - or under the law it's Obstruction of Justice.

What Trump might have said later in an attempt to cover-up his obstruction of justice is irrelevant. He knew at the time he asked Comey to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn that Flynn was under a criminal investigation.

We also know that Flynn meet with the Russians to assure them that the sanctions being imposed by President Obama as a response to the Russian intervention in the US elections were going to be ended by Donald Trump. Flynn could only make that commitment based upon Donald Trump telling Flynn that he was going to end those sanctions. Every action by Donald Trump since the election has been to dismiss the investigations into the Russian intervention as being a hoax but we know it wasn't a hoax. Under Trump the US government has made no efforts to prevent future Russian intervention into our elections.

As far as I can determine there was an active agreement between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, probably made through surrogates, that involved Russia helping Trump get elected and in return Trump would provide special favorable treatment for Russia. Christopher Steele's sources also provided intelligence (not evidence) indicating that such an agreement existed. It's up to Mueller's team, the FBI, and the CIA to determine the creditability of the intelligence as well as attempting to find the evidence to prove the allegation if true.

Russia was not going to help Trump if Trump didn't makes some kind of commitment to return the favor for Russia. Logic dictates that a Quid Pro Quo agreement either explicit or implied existed between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin because Putin wasn't going to waste his efforts if he was to get nothing in return. Trump's demonstrated he's that stupid (will do something for nothing) but Putin is a very crafty person that doesn't do anything for free.
Another anti Trump rant filled with factual errors and infused with resistance blind hatred. Trump never directed Comey to stop the Flynn investigation, he shared with him his hope that criminal charges would not be brought. Indeed, Comey's FBI concluded Flynn's remarks did not rise to the level of criminal offense.

But Mueller's lynch mob of prosecutors was desperate for any kind of conviction to justify their witch hunt so Flynn's misstatements became criminal. Flynn had to be sacrificed on the altar of Mueller's ambition.

Naturally the fact that Comey misinterpreted Trump's remark about Flynn as shown by a later conversation is glossed over as a cover up by Trump haters. The words of a fired, disgruntled employee carefully edited, is treated as gospel. Never mind that Comey refused to announce that Trump was not under investigation based on the absurd obligation to correct and later illegally released his meeting notes to the press in hopes of getting a special council appointed, Comey is the epitome of rectitude.

Like the fake dossier the conjecture about an agreement between Trump and Putin is nothing but a manifestation anti Trump hatred. There is no evidence to support an agreement existing or the veracity of the dossier but that doesn't give zealots a moment's pause from their hate fest.
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