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Old 12-05-2017, 07:06 PM
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The Left is going nuts because incoming transition team member Flynn talked to (wait for it...........) RUSSIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!...

You know who DIDN'T have a problem with this?...

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION...Who knew it was happening and had ZERO issue with it...

Here's the press briefing in which they acknowledge it...One week before Trump's inauguration...

Mark C. Toner
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Washington, DC
January 13, 2017

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QUESTION: -- reports starting yesterday, but then more of them this morning, about contact between the incoming national security advisor and the Russian ambassador. Iím just wondering, from the State Departmentís point of view, is this something thatís of concern at all? Or Ė Iíll just leave it there and then follow up.

MR TONER: Again, not necessarily Ė Iíve seen the reports. I donít think theyíve been confirmed or corroborated yet. But thatís Ė as heís part of the transition team, thatís really for them to speak to in how they are engaging. I mean --

QUESTION: Right, but --

MR TONER: -- the president-elect is also engaged on his own with many world leaders.

QUESTION: Right.

MR TONER: So I donít want to speculate and I donít want to --

QUESTION: So thereís nothing Ė this building doesnít see anything necessarily inappropriate about contact between members of the incoming administration and foreign officials --

MR TONER: No.

QUESTION: -- no matter what country theyíre from?

MR TONER: No.

QUESTION: Right?

MR TONER: No. And again, this has been ongoing. I mean, we stand ready if they want to work through the State Department to contact some of these individuals, but we have no comment or no problem with them doing such on their own.

QUESTION: Okay. Thank you.

MR TONER: Yeah.
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The Left is going nuts because incoming transition team member Flynn talked to (wait for it...........) RUSSIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!...

You know who DIDN'T have a problem with this?...

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION...Who knew it was happening and had ZERO issue with it...

Here's the press briefing in which they acknowledge it...One week before Trump's inauguration...

Mark C. Toner
Deputy Spokesperson
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
January 13, 2017
its ok to talk but not ok to interfere in another ongoing administration policy. we have one president at a time.
besides theres more than emoluments for trump to worry about
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its ok to talk but not ok to interfere in another ongoing administration policy. we have one president at a time.
besides theres more than emoluments for trump to worry about
and if flynn met them on behalf of trump during obama same thing. if its treason and money laundering its trump
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What I believe is objectionable was that Flynn's reasons for talking with the Russians was motivated solely by the opportunity to profiteer from Trump's election. Apparently while sitting with Trump on the inauguration platform Michael Flynn was contacting business associates stating that the Russian sanctions would be torn up and Russia would be allowed to build nuclear power plants in the Middle East and they (Flynn and associates) would make a ton of money from the deal. A nuclear Middle East with all of the terrorist groups running around is not in the national security interests of the United States.

Talking with Russia on matters of national security was acceptable.

Talking with Russians about making money off of deals that were opposite of the national security interests of the United States was not acceptable.

The concealment of the "profiteering" (money) was probably the motive that lead Flynn to lie to FBI (a felony) and obviously committing a felony is unacceptable.

The selling of the national security interests of the United States to line your bank account is not acceptable and has never been acceptable.
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What I believe is objectionable was that Flynn's reasons for talking with the Russians was motivated solely by the opportunity to profiteer from Trump's election. Apparently while sitting with Trump on the inauguration platform Michael Flynn was contacting business associates stating that the Russian sanctions would be torn up and Russia would be allowed to build nuclear power plants in the Middle East and they (Flynn and associates) would make a ton of money from the deal. A nuclear Middle East with all of the terrorist groups running around is not in the national security interests of the United States.

Talking with Russia on matters of national security was acceptable.

Talking with Russians about making money off of deals that were opposite of the national security interests of the United States was not acceptable. The concealment of the "profiteering" (money) was probably the motive that lead Flynn to lie to FBI (a felony) and obviously committing a felony is unacceptable.

The selling of the national security interests of the United States to line your bank account is not acceptable and has never been acceptable.
Odd, We hear no complaints from you about the Clintons doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

And for the record, Hillary was not only shielded by the government and the media, she has been exonerated by them.
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and if flynn met them on behalf of trump during obama same thing. if its treason and money laundering its trump
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Odd, We hear no complaints from you about the Clintons doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

And for the record, Hillary was not only shielded by the government and the media, she has been exonerated by them.
Hillary Clinton wasn't shielded from anything that I'm aware of. For example both her use of a private email server, that was quite common for top government officials to use in the prior administration, was fully investigated by the FBI as well as whether contributions to the Clinton Foundation were used to obtain access or special favors from the State Department. In both cases the FBI investigation resulted in a lack of evidence that would be required for criminal prosecution. A lack of evidence to support a criminal complaint is not the "exoneration" of a person. Exoneration requires clear and compelling evidence of innocence beyond any doubt related to a possible criminal complaint. Not even a criminal jury "exonerates" a person when they return a verdict of "not guilty" in a criminal case.

Being fully investigated by the FBI is not being "shielded" from prosecution for criminal conduct. Attempting to avoid the investigation, or the stonewalling an investigation, by members of the government reflects "shielding" from prosecution. Shielding by the government is a form of obstruction of justice by members of the government.

That did not happen with Hillary Clinton and her actions were fully investigated without any attempts at obstruction of justice. On the flip side there's no question that the Trump administration has been stonewalling the Russia investigations that have resulted in criminal indictments and two convictions for perjury (that is a form of obstruction of justice).

So no, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are not comparable by any standard.

Donald Trump has been intentionally nefarious in his evasions, false allegations, and lies about the his business enterprise and campaign related to their involvement with the Russians and agents of the Russian.

Trump has repeatedly stated, "I didn't have any contact with the Russians" and that might be technically true but many of in subordinates were in virtually constant contact with the Russians or agents of the Russians during the campaign. Trump Jr., Michael Flynn, Jeff Sessions as well as six or seven other individuals involved with the Trump campaign, were in contact with the Russians or agents of the Russians and ultimately reporting to Donald Trump.

Trump has repeatedly claimed he had no business dealings with the Russians but we know that Trump Jr. was negotiating the building of Moscow Trump Tower for the Trump Organization with a Putin oligarch.

Donald Trump falsely claims that no evidence of collusion exists but the Trump Tower meeting between Trump Jr., Jarred Kushner, and Paul Manafort and Russian agents was expressly about colluding with the Russians to obtain negative information on Hillary Clinton. Trump Jr's correspondence with WikiLeaks, that's been identified as a agent for the Russian government in publically releasing the Democratic emails that the Russian government hacked, is collusion.

Trump's statements that the Russian investigation is a (deep state) plot by the Democrats against Trump because they lost the election is a bold lie because the Russia investigation began months before the November elections of last year.

Remember a simple fact. Trump and his associates are not in trouble for "colluding" with the Russians that were involved in a covert operation to corrupt the presidential elections last year. Collusion is not a crime. Trump and his associates are in trouble because of the evidence of obstruction of justice into the investigations of the Russian involvement. The acts of perjury in lying to FBI agents. The intentional omission of information on security clearance applications that's also an act of perjury. The failure to disclose information related to contacts by the Trump organization with the Russians. The firing of Sally Yates and James Comey, both of which were top law enforcement officials investigating the Russian interference in our election. Even the disparaging and false statements currently being made against the FBI by Donald Trump today to discredit the investigation are all incremental bits of evidence of obstruction of justice by Donald Trump and his associates.

Donald Trump is in serious legal jeopardy as the evidence of obstruction of justice piles up against him. Trump and his supporters are using every means imaginable to discredit the investigation but it's not going to work.

The FBI record of unbiased enforcement of the laws and it's investigative processes are beyond reproach. Robert Mueller's reputation for integrity and high standards in investigation and prosecution are beyond reproach.

If Trump goes down it will be because of Donald Trump and not due to any other factor.
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