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Wow.
You look at the situation as "glass half empty" type thought.
I look at the situation recognizing the glass should never be that full in the first place.

For comparison, with Bill Clinton's impeachment: Sixty-two percent of all Americans were opposed to Bill Clinton's impeachment.



Again, STOP WITH THE STRAWMAN.
I never said Trump was alienating middle America by refusing to resign.

The truth is he is alienating middle America and his abysmal "approval" ratings are evidence of that. Instead of being honest about that, you try to pretend I am alleging something I never said nor hinted about.




I'm sorry, but can you define what is "capitalism" then?
Is it a violation of capitalism if somebody picks and chooses who they serve?

Like with gays in a bakery, is that a violation of capitalism if they choose not to serve the gay couple?

You guys really need to get your story straight on this crap. The only consistency is whatever suits the right-wing favoritism agenda.



Is it consistent with capitalism to pick and choose what you want to air or advertise?



You are hitting up a very relevant area of just cause.
And on that, I half-agree with you...

For my own preference, I would rather impeachment be based on just cause. And as such, I think we agree that there is not enough dirt on Trump to proceed with impeachment.

The "half" that doesn't agree with you recognizes how much politics is mired in the impeachment process. It recognizes how many absolute b.s. tax wastes the Republicans have engaged on.

So, if I were to show Repubs the same treatment that Dems have received, then we would simply proceed with impeachment.


But more centrally to your comment, considering how much politics IS mired in the impeachment process, your assessment of cause / effect is flawed.
With a Republican controlled Congress, it doesn't matter how many lies are uncovered. Republicans will balk regardless.



And for me personally, on one hand I wish they would stop.
On the other hand, the "lock her up" chant also echoes in my head so I can't help but think Trump is getting some of his own medicine...



That sucks.
You're really not missing much though.
At best, you would then just have more concrete examples regarding what just cause is lacking...
Wow, the percentage of respondents favoring impeachment of Trump and Clinton back in the day is within a few points but you natter on about how the impeachment approval level is a problem for Trump.

Let's ignore Clinton was impeached by the House, the only thing of importance is public opinion polls.

Again you edit my comment then cry about straw men.

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Trump is somehow alienating middle America by refusing to resign in response to the vapid rhetoric of a Leftist billionaire. Not hardly.
Emphasis added to show your dishonest editing of my comment. This is your classic dishonest tactic, edit a comment then claim you are offended.
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This bullsh1t is new and should not be allowed.

Never before in our history. The unhinged left wing idiots are fuqing crazy.

I hope we kill them in the coming political revolution. Not room enough in this nation for the left wing...

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In four or eight years from now or when ever we have a democrat for president again you are going to be cheering for who ever is running an ad to impeach the president. People have a way of being outraged over something when its the other side doing it and being glad when its their side doing it. Republicans were outraged when the Democrats enacted the nuclear option to get Obama's nominations passed.Years later the republicans returned the favor and Trump got to appoint a supreme court judge. This ad will be no different and democrats will be reminding republicans that hey are hypocrites for praising the impeach the president ad.
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In four or eight years from now or when ever we have a democrat for president again you are going to be cheering for who ever is running an ad to impeach the president. People have a way of being outraged over something when its the other side doing it and being glad when its their side doing it. Republicans were outraged when the Democrats enacted the nuclear option to get Obama's nominations passed.Years later the republicans returned the favor and Trump got to appoint a supreme court judge. This ad will be no different and democrats will be reminding republicans that hey are hypocrites for praising the impeach the president ad.
And people with your attitude will be the reason nothing will happen then.

You validate it with out even realizing it.

And nothing will ever change.

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And people with your attitude will be the reason nothing will happen then.

You validate it with out even realizing it.

And nothing will ever change.

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It won't be people with my attitude why it will happen again. It will people who excuse something just as long as it is their party doing it why it will happen again. Trust me in 4, or 8 years from now when we have a democrat president you are going to swear that president is scum of the earth and a traitor to the country even though that president hasn't been in office for a year and hasn't done anything treasonous. Some rich Republican is going to run a we need to impeach the president ad and you and the liberal posters will be changing places.You will say that person is patriotic and the liberal posters will claim that person is a scumbag anti-American. It happens all the time. Party A does something and Party B piss bitches and moans about it.Then sometime later Party B does exactly the same thing they pissed bitched and moaned about Party A doing. Nuclear option, patriot act, confirming judges who never served as a judge, confirming people with clear biases to certain positions, out of control spending, Not confirming any judges during the last months of a president's term and so on.
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In four or eight years from now or when ever we have a democrat for president again you are going to be cheering for who ever is running an ad to impeach the president. People have a way of being outraged over something when its the other side doing it and being glad when its their side doing it. Republicans were outraged when the Democrats enacted the nuclear option to get Obama's nominations passed.Years later the republicans returned the favor and Trump got to appoint a supreme court judge. This ad will be no different and democrats will be reminding republicans that hey are hypocrites for praising the impeach the president ad.
Democrats get to short circuit or discard the rules like with the nuclear option but Republicans are hypocrites if they follow the precedent. No doubt Democrats invoke the nuclear option without hesitation at the first opportunity.

Even worse, Republican Congressional leaders appear to be wedded to the rules of so-called regular order rules no matter that Democrats discarded or ignored them. Harry Reid rammed the entire 2,500 page Obamacare bill through as reconciliation but Republican Congressional leaders depict reconciliation as imposing severe restrictions on what can be legislated without risk of a filibuster.
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Wow, the percentage of respondents favoring impeachment of Trump and Clinton back in the day is within a few points but you natter on about how the impeachment approval level is a problem for Trump.
Did you have an attempted point with that incoherent / incomplete comment?
"within a few points" of what? 62% of Americans said they were opposed to the impeachment. An impeachment that pushed through anyways.
34% supported impeachment.
So what was that "a few points" within?



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Let's ignore Clinton was impeached by the House, the only thing of importance is public opinion polls.
When Repubs want to ignore public opinion, it's obvious...


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Again you edit my comment then cry about straw men.
And you do the exact same thing when posting articles, dontcha...

The funny thing is you do not deny you perpetuated a strawman argument.
You just complain I point it out.


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Emphasis added to show your dishonest editing of my comment. This is your classic dishonest tactic, edit a comment then claim you are offended.
More dumb lies from AZRWinger.
I wasn't offended you lied about my position.
I just pointed out that you lied you did it.

And you edit articles when you post them, dontcha...
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Democrats get to short circuit or discard the rules like with the nuclear option but Republicans are hypocrites if they follow the precedent. No doubt Democrats invoke the nuclear option without hesitation at the first opportunity.
Yes it makes them hypocrites. If I complain about outsourcing and I make my products overseas it would make me a hypocrite. If I complain about people driving slow as a snail when they don't have to and I then drive as slow as a snail it would make me a hypocrite.

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You are making the assumption the republican party is the opposition party to the democrats. They are.Its why Obama-care hasn't been killed.Its why Obama was allowed to keep funding for the **** he wanted, and so on.
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Yes it makes them hypocrites. If I complain about outsourcing and I make my products overseas it would make me a hypocrite. If I complain about people driving slow as a snail when they don't have to and I then drive as slow as a snail it would make me a hypocrite.



You are making the assumption the republican party is the opposition party to the democrats. They are.Its why Obama-care hasn't been killed.Its why Obama was allowed to keep funding for the **** he wanted, and so on.
And I remember your prediction that Trump would NEVER win the elections to.

SO your batting average is not very good at all.

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In four or eight years from now or when ever we have a democrat for president again you are going to be cheering for who ever is running an ad to impeach the president.
Bill Clinton engaged in obstruction of justice by perjuring himself in his deposition when he stated he'd not had any sexual relations with Monica Lewinski.

Clinton should have been removed from office for obstruction of justice.

The evidence against Donald Trump indicating that Trump's been attempting to obstruct justice both related to the FBI criminal investigation of Michael Flynn and the White House cover-up the extensive connections and contacts by his campaign while Russia was conducting a highly successful covert influence operation during the 2016 election is compelling. Because impeachment and removal from office is not a criminal proceeding all that's required is a preponderance of evidence and that preponderance of evidence that Trump has been obstructing justice already exist.

Trump should be removed from office for obstruction of justice.

This is not a "my side vs your side" issue.

This is a "No one, including the President of the United States, should be above the law" issue.

In 1999 when all 45 Democrats in the Senate were joined by five Republicans to vote against removal from office for obstruction of justice (and perjury) they were wrong. There was never any doubt that Clinton committed perjury in an attempt to obstruct justice.

Today, in 2017 (going into 2018) it would be wrong for any Republican or Democrat to vote against removal from office of Donald Trump based upon obstruction of justice (and abuse of power).

As Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake stated every member of Congress should always choose "Country over Party" as the ultimate "prime directive" and this includes cases of impeachment and removal from office for any President that doesn't uphold the highest standards for the office.
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