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I'm not sure resisting the unreasonable protests violence and property loss is equivalent to "both sides have added" unless you believe the peaceful and litter free assembly of the TEA party groups is equivalent to blocking I-70 in downtown St Louis or burning cars and stores in Ferguson.

One is the peaceful, albeit emotional, attempt to redress the government, a Constitutionally guaranteed right. The other is called disorder, looting and assault. A civil unrest from which the Constitutional Government is supposed to protect lawful citizens and their properties.
My response was based on Charlottesville, not other protests.

Yes, both sides have their hate-mongers.
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I'll bet there are websites out there, that develop nothing but graphs to make Trump look bad, while ignoring all other pertinent data.
Yep, seems all you have to do is google "Hate Trump Graphs" I think Mikey donates to them.
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It is disgusting to see the rush to blame the left while ignoring the dirt on the hands of the people blending into the right.

Let's face some facts, shall we?
Despite the nation’s intense national focus on Islamic terrorism since 9/11, homegrown, right wing extremists have also killed dozens of Americans. The groups include white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups and anti-federalists militias. Since 2001, the number of violent attacks on U.S. soil inspired by far-right ideology has spiked to an average of more than 300 a year, according to a study by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-...ght-every-year

Quite frankly, too many people will ignore the problems blacks face because they are allowed to. If somebody puts forth a peaceful and silent protest like bending a knee at a football game, suddenly they can't abide the display and they complain about it without even bothering to understand the history of what is being demonstrated against.

We've got a problem in this country where our POTUS calls nazis and KKK members as "very fine people".
But the right wants to shine a spotlight on the left.
A classic example of why the left can no longer be taken seriously. Trump said:

"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

The left translated that to nazi and KKK members are very fine people. Why? No other quote would fit the agenda. Trump was correct.

Even his actual quote is out of context. The complete speech:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...nscript-241662

The pertinent part is toward the bottom.

If you're going to make incorrect statements you should at least do your homework.
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A classic example of why the left can no longer be taken seriously. Trump said:
"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."
The left translated that to nazi and KKK members are very fine people. Why? No other quote would fit the agenda. Trump was correct.
I didn't say he labeled all nazi and KKK members as "very fine people".
But when he labeled that group as having some "very fine people", it covered nazis and KKK members. The group was comprised of nazis and KKK members. You can't pretend to call "some" of that group as being "very fine people" and then magically be talking about none of the nazi / KKK.


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Even his actual quote is out of context. The complete speech:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...nscript-241662
The pertinent part is toward the bottom.
If you're going to make incorrect statements you should at least do your homework.
You're quoting words without any demonstration of how my assessment is wrong. It appears like you are the one trying to misconstrue my words...

Can you show me how, in his quote, he demonstrated he was excluding nazis and KKK from his assessment of "very fine people"?
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For all those that want to pretend Charlottesville wasn't about white nationalists / alt-righters / neo-nazis, I encourage them to watch this video.
LISTEN to the message stated by the people in this video.
They organized these efforts.

None of these people are "very fine people".

https://news.vice.com/story/vice-new...ace-and-terror[/QUOTE]
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I didn't say he labeled all nazi and KKK members as "very fine people".
But when he labeled that group as having some "very fine people", it covered nazis and KKK members. The group was comprised of nazis and KKK members. You can't pretend to call "some" of that group as being "very fine people" and then magically be talking about none of the nazi / KKK.



You're quoting words without any demonstration of how my assessment is wrong. It appears like you are the one trying to misconstrue my words...

Can you show me how, in his quote, he demonstrated he was excluding nazis and KKK from his assessment of "very fine people"?
I quoted you:

We've got a problem in this country where our POTUS calls nazis and KKK members as "very fine people".

Trump didn't do that. That's why I posted the entire speech.

Your claim is much like saying that there are very fine people in the US. US includes those murderers on death row but does not limit it to murderers. I didn't mention them, but they are not considered fine people.

It's going to be tough to walk this one back. So far your score is zero.
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I didn't say he labeled all nazi and KKK members as "very fine people".
But when he labeled that group as having some "very fine people", it covered nazis and KKK members. The group was comprised of nazis and KKK members. You can't pretend to call "some" of that group as being "very fine people" and then magically be talking about none of the nazi / KKK.



You're quoting words without any demonstration of how my assessment is wrong. It appears like you are the one trying to misconstrue my words...

Can you show me how, in his quote, he demonstrated he was excluding nazis and KKK from his assessment of "very fine people"?
When Trump stated that there were very fine people on both sides of the issue, he was referring to the issue of the statues. There were people on both sides of the issue of removing statues that he would consider very fine people.

Now those on the left that want to play word games have translated that to mean that he was calling the Nazi's and the White Supremacists very fine people just because they had a common concern with other people that those statues should not be removed. That is not at all what he was saying, it is what you wanted to hear.
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We've got a problem in this country where our POTUS calls nazis and KKK members as "very fine people".
Trump didn't do that. That's why I posted the entire speech.
That's exactly what he did.
He didn't label the entire group as "very fine people". We agree on that.

But he did say there were "very fine people" on both sides in Charlottesville, and this was a b.s. lie.
Those marching under nazi flags / confederate flags, documented above, DID NOT include "very fine people".


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Your claim is much like saying that there are very fine people in the US. US includes those murderers on death row but does not limit it to murderers. I didn't mention them, but they are not considered fine people.
It's going to be tough to walk this one back. So far your score is zero.


If he had said "very fine people in the U.S.", I wouldn't be saying that.
That's not what happened at all.

When Trump was talking about people at a racist rally and saying there were some "very fine people" there, it's a b.s. claim.
"Very fine people" don't just accidentally attend a racist rally.
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Those marching under nazi flags / confederate flags, documented above, DID NOT include "very fine people".
They were not the only people protesting the removal of the statues.
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When Trump stated that there were very fine people on both sides of the issue, he was referring to the issue of the statues. There were people on both sides of the issue of removing statues that he would consider very fine people.


The context of the Q&A was clear.
REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.
The context was talking about the people who attended the rallies in Charlottesville.
It was not just "issue of the statues".

Don't talk to me about "word games". People who try to paraphrase Trump as saying something that was completely different from the context are the ones playing word games.


And regarding Trump's comment on what people "didn't put themselves down as", racists habitually deny acknowledging they are racist.
KKK members insist they’re not “white supremacists”


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They were not the only people protesting the removal of the statues.
Watch the video above.
Just watch it. And then tell me what these people were like...
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