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I sure will be glad when we stop being stupid and embrace single payer healthcare. For profit healthcare and supporting a huge insurance industry is what hurts Americans and it's time to stop. We don't even have the best medical outcomes. So what do we get out of being screwed?


WASHINGTON — In the summer of 2009, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. was asked if Max Baucus, the Democratic chairman of the powerful Senate Finance Committee who was taking the lead on health care reform at the time, was open to his ideas.

"To a single-payer idea? No. Not in a million years," Sanders replied to a C-SPAN interviewer.

It turns out the wait was much shorter.

"I just think the time has come," Baucus told NBC News Friday, after stunning healthcare observers earlier in the day by seemingly coming around on single-payer at a public forum. "Back in '09, we were not ready to address it. It would never have passed. Here we are nine years later, I think it's time to hopefully have a very serious good faith look at it."

Baucus' evolution reflects how quickly the once-fringe idea of government-funded health care is gaining traction inside the Democratic party.

On Wednesday Sanders, the issue's most vocal champion, will roll out a long-anticipated bill detailing his plan provide Medicare for All, as advocates prefer to call it.

Baucus, who left the Senate in 2014 to become ambassador to China, was instrumental in the passage of the Affordable Care Act.

But in the process, Baucus became a chief target of the left's ire when he refused to consider single-payer plans and oversaw the demise of the public option, which would have provided a government-run alternative to private health insurance.

"I started out by saying everything is on the table," Baucus recalled. "But I did make an exception and that was single-payer. I said, nope, we're not going to put single-payer on the table. Why? In my judgement, America was just not there ... It's branded as socialistic by too many people."

Attitudes have shifted since then.

A majority of House Democrats have, for the first time, signed on to support Medicare for All. And in the past two weeks, Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass. and Kamala Harris, D-Calif. — two potential 2020 presidential candidates — announced they would support Sanders' forthcoming bill.

On Wednesday, Baucus' fellow Montanan, moderate Democratic Sen. Jon Tester, who is facing a tough reelection bid next year, said it might be time to "take a solid look at" single-payer.

Baucus compared the issue's evolution to that of gay rights. "It's anathema for a long time, and then suddenly — acceptance," he said.

"I think we'll end up with some kind of single-pay," Baucus added, cautioning that it could take years, and stopping short of fully endorsing the idea himself. "It could help reduce costs and also have better outcomes."

But the policy challenges are enormous, as Sanders' own state of Vermont learned when it scrapped its single-payer plan after the finances collapsed.

And the political hurdles may be just as great, with Democrats entirely out of power and Republicans eager to equate Medicare for All with socialism.

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WASHINGTON — In the summer of 2009, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. was asked if Max Baucus, the Democratic chairman of the powerful Senate Finance Committee who was taking the lead on health care reform at the time, was open to his ideas.

"To a single-payer idea? No. Not in a million years," Sanders replied to a C-SPAN interviewer.

It turns out the wait was much shorter.

"I just think the time has come," Baucus told NBC News Friday, after stunning healthcare observers earlier in the day by seemingly coming around on single-payer at a public forum. "Back in '09, we were not ready to address it. It would never have passed. Here we are nine years later, I think it's time to hopefully have a very serious good faith look at it."

Baucus' evolution reflects how quickly the once-fringe idea of government-funded health care is gaining traction inside the Democratic party.

On Wednesday Sanders, the issue's most vocal champion, will roll out a long-anticipated bill detailing his plan provide Medicare for All, as advocates prefer to call it.

Baucus, who left the Senate in 2014 to become ambassador to China, was instrumental in the passage of the Affordable Care Act.

But in the process, Baucus became a chief target of the left's ire when he refused to consider single-payer plans and oversaw the demise of the public option, which would have provided a government-run alternative to private health insurance.

"I started out by saying everything is on the table," Baucus recalled. "But I did make an exception and that was single-payer. I said, nope, we're not going to put single-payer on the table. Why? In my judgement, America was just not there ... It's branded as socialistic by too many people."

Attitudes have shifted since then.

A majority of House Democrats have, for the first time, signed on to support Medicare for All. And in the past two weeks, Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass. and Kamala Harris, D-Calif. — two potential 2020 presidential candidates — announced they would support Sanders' forthcoming bill.

On Wednesday, Baucus' fellow Montanan, moderate Democratic Sen. Jon Tester, who is facing a tough reelection bid next year, said it might be time to "take a solid look at" single-payer.

Baucus compared the issue's evolution to that of gay rights. "It's anathema for a long time, and then suddenly — acceptance," he said.

"I think we'll end up with some kind of single-pay," Baucus added, cautioning that it could take years, and stopping short of fully endorsing the idea himself. "It could help reduce costs and also have better outcomes."

But the policy challenges are enormous, as Sanders' own state of Vermont learned when it scrapped its single-payer plan after the finances collapsed.

And the political hurdles may be just as great, with Democrats entirely out of power and Republicans eager to equate Medicare for All with socialism.

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Total government control of healthcare is/was/and always will be, the goal of the left.

Total government control is/was/and always will be, the goal of the left.
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Actually the time came in the 1970's.
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They tried single payer in Beach House Bernie's home state of Vermont. Single payer collapsed in miniature collapsed due to costs. Now the pied piper of socialized medicine wants to inflict the failed system on everyone.

No, the Democrat party did not evolve into accepting single payer. Obamacare was designed to fail paving the way for single payer government rationed health care in response to the crisis. It is a classic pattern with Democrat social welfare programs, put in the giveaway scheme to pass out the vote buying freebies then worry about paying for it later. We have seen it with Social security, food stamps and Medicaid to cite a few examples.
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Total government control of healthcare is/was/and always will be, the goal of the left.

Total government control is/was/and always will be, the goal of the left.
so government health insurance made canada and england communist ...
I see what you mean
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so government health insurance made canada and england communist ...
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Here, some light reading matter, so you actually understand the terms before you use them.

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Groceries are getting expensive too......and gasoline.....and housing....and cars....Something MUST be done. I'm sure this would all be much less expensive if the government took over.
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The free market works very well for the items you mention below. Health care just doesn't. For example I was talking to an LPN last night that has to carry an Epi Pen because her kids goes into anaphylactic shock if a bee stings him. Epi pens have become more and more expensive over the last couple of years she says, which I really do find hard to believe, is up to $600 for an epi pen, and you are suppose to have two. She shrugged her shoulders and said hell, I aint letting my kid die so she is going out to buy one now no matter what it costs because she has to. Last I had heard a year ago or so they were $90. Which is obscene too, considering what it is. I doubt it suddenly cost that much more to produce.
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The free market works very well for the items you mention below. Health care just doesn't. For example I was talking to an LPN last night that has to carry an Epi Pen because her kids goes into anaphylactic shock if a bee stings him. Epi pens have become more and more expensive over the last couple of years she says, which I really do find hard to believe, is up to $600 for an epi pen, and you are suppose to have two. She shrugged her shoulders and said hell, I aint letting my kid die so she is going out to buy one now no matter what it costs because she has to. Last I had heard a year ago or so they were $90. Which is obscene too, considering what it is. I doubt it suddenly cost that much more to produce.
And the market is taking care of it.

https://www.consumerreports.org/drug...st-10-dollars/
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