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Old 08-22-2017, 10:35 AM
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People are pissed about the country having elected an idiot racist.
I remember if anybody called Obama an incompetent monkey, his stooges would crawl out of the rocks and shout "RACIST!"
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Old 08-22-2017, 02:52 PM
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Thank you for a thoughtful and reasoned response.
I'm not being facetious. I'm just tired of people on this forum who would rather post propaganda than talk and listen to each other.
Thank you for the response. I do try to listen to other's points of view, but I too get tired of some of the nonsense and the gotcha's that some employ here and I find myself responding with snarky comments. I need to try to avoid those.

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Can you elaborate on how you see the left expanding the definition of what constitutes "those that cannot help themselves"?
Sure. I think we can all agree that those with severe physical and/or mental handicaps are in need of assistance. While I believe that the most effective assistance should come from local sources (churches, charities, etc.), I can see the government being involved at some level. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that most conservatives would agree with this position as well as most on the left.

I believe that there are those on the left however, that see other conditions as a means of expanding the definition of "those that cannot help themselves". Some of those conditions would/could be single mothers with small children, people in impoverished neighborhoods, immigrants that have yet to transition into society. There are many cases. However, I believe that while the idea of helping these people is noble, the net effect is that we have built an entire class of dependent people that strive to ensure they never have to attempt to take care of themselves. They pass this on to their offspring who in turn grow to live the same lifestyle.

Politicians have played on this by expanding the list of essentials to include items that are not necessary for survival, all in an attempt to secure the votes of those dependent upon the government. And the cycle not only continues, but begins to grow as others on the lower end of wage scales, see that they are working hard to simply keep up with the handouts the others are getting for doing nothing.

What is their motivation to keep working when they can sit back and collect essentially the same amount of food/clothing/rent money/cell phone/TV/etc while doing nothing? Some will continue to work out of a sense of pride and self worth, but many others will succumb to the allure of "free stuff".

I know that is a simplification of the issue, but you see where I am going with it. I am interested in your opinion of this as you have asked for mine.
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I like Social Security. I think there should be means testing for drawing it. It's the best thing we have done for people in this country.
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I like Social Security. I think there should be means testing for drawing it. It's the best thing we have done for people in this country.
People should not have had to pay a damned penny into it, but since they were forced to do it, it is not your business to worry about any type of "means testing" for drawing it. May I suggest a bag of prunes?
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I like Social Security. I think there should be means testing for drawing it. It's the best thing we have done for people in this country.
When and if they decide to means test social security, there should be a movement to allow people to opt out of paying into it also. If I pay for something my entire adult life, why should you or anyone else tell me that I have no right to collect on it?
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When and if they decide to means test social security, there should be a movement to allow people to opt out of paying into it also. If I pay for something my entire adult life, why should you or anyone else tell me that I have no right to collect on it?
While I 100% agree with your statement, I have a question.

Are there any places we can check and see if that supposed '1%' actually do collect Social Security? Can it be opted out of?
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While I 100% agree with your statement, I have a question.

Are there any places we can check and see if that supposed '1%' actually do collect Social Security? Can it be opted out of?
I don't have an answer to your question, but I am sure there are resources that could answer it. However, I would have to imagine that if someone wanted to opt out of receiving a check from the government, they most likely could.
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I don't have an answer to your question, but I am sure there are resources that could answer it. However, I would have to imagine that if someone wanted to opt out of receiving a check from the government, they most likely could.
After doing some searches, the answer is generally no to paying into SS, unless you are a member of a religious group that has a 'registered' conscientious objection to 'insurance'. You don't pay in, you don't receive. Other than that, I cannot find anything that says yes or no to opting out of receiving payments for the general population.

Interesting. One would think they would be more than happy to keep your money....
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After doing some searches, the answer is generally no to paying into SS, unless you are a member of a religious group that has a 'registered' conscientious objection to 'insurance'. You don't pay in, you don't receive. Other than that, I cannot find anything that says yes or no to opting out of receiving payments for the general population.

Interesting. One would think they would be more than happy to keep your money....
Oh, I don't doubt they would allow someone to opt out of paying into the system. Congress and bureaucrats never miss an opportunity to collect taxes and will take whatever measures necessary to ensure they are collected.

As to an individual opting to forgo their rightful returns, I would also guess that the government would be more than happy to allow them to do that. But as to this point, I have not researched that as I have no plans to allow the government to hang on to any more of the money I have been forced to pay into the programs than is necessary.
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When and if they decide to means test social security, there should be a movement to allow people to opt out of paying into it also. If I pay for something my entire adult life, why should you or anyone else tell me that I have no right to collect on it?
You don't understand how insurance works do you?
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