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Trump won because college-educated Americans are out of touch

Higher education is isolated, insular and liberal. Average voters aren't.


By Charles Camosy November 9, 2016
Charles C. Camosy is an associate professor at Fordham University, and the author of "Beyond the Abortion Wars: A Way Forward for A New Generation."

How an electorate fed up with the elite propelled Donald Trump to victory

The Post’s Dan Balz explores some of the factors behind President-elect Donald Trump’s victory against his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. (Video: Bastien Inzaurralde/Photo: Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
As the reality of President-elect Donald Trump settled in very early Wednesday morning, MSNBC’s Chris Hayes summed up an explanation common to many on the left: The Republican nominee pulled ahead thanks to old-fashioned American racism.

But the attempt to make Trump’s victory about racism appears to be at odds with what actually happened on Election Day. Consider the following facts.

Twenty-nine percent of Latinos voted for Trump, per exit polls. Remarkably, despite the near-ubiquitous narrative that Trump would have deep problems with this demographic given his comments and position on immigration, this was a higher percentage of those who voted for GOP nominee Mitt Romney in 2012. Meanwhile, African Americans did not turn out to vote against Trump. In fact, Trump received a higher percentage of African American votes than Romney did.

[Donald Trump wins the presidency in stunning upset over Clinton]

And while many white voters deeply disliked Trump, they disliked Democrat Hillary Clinton even more. Of those who had negative feelings about both Trump and Clinton, Trump got their votes by a margin of 2 to 1. Votes for Trump seemed to signal a rejection of the norms and values for which Clinton stood more than an outright embrace of Trump. He was viewed unfavorably, for instance, by 61 percent of Wisconsinites, but 1 in 5 in that group voted for him anyway.


The most important divide in this election was not between whites and non-whites. It was between those who are often referred to as “educated” voters and those who are described as “working class” voters.

The reality is that six in 10 Americans do not have a college degree, and they elected Donald Trump. College-educated people didn’t just fail to see this coming — they have struggled to display even a rudimentary understanding of the worldviews of those who voted for Trump. This is an indictment of the monolithic, insulated political culture in the vast majority our colleges and universities.

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Clinton supporters react to Trump's win with sadness, anger
Anti-Trump protests took place near some college campuses on election night. (Monica Akhtar/The Washington Post)
[How Donald Trump broke the old rules of politics — and won the White House]

As a college professor, I know that there are many ways in which college graduates simply know more about the world than those who do not have such degrees. This is especially true — with some exceptions, of course — when it comes to “hard facts” learned in science, history and sociology courses.

But I also know that that those with college degrees — again, with some significant exceptions — don’t necessarily know philosophy or theology. And they have especially paltry knowledge about the foundational role that different philosophical or theological claims play in public thought compared with what is common to college campuses. In my experience, many professors and college students don’t even realize that their views on political issues rely on a particular philosophical or theological stance.


Higher education in the United States, after all, is woefully monolithic in its range of worldviews. In 2014, some 60 percent of college professors identified as either “liberal” or “far-left,” an increase from 42 percent identifying as such in 1990. And while liberal college professors outnumber conservatives 5-to-1, conservatives are considerably more common within the general public. The world of academia is, therefore, different in terms of political temperature than the rest of society, and what is common knowledge and conventional wisdom among America’s campus dwellers can’t be taken for granted outside the campus gates.

[World gasps in collective disbelief following Trump’s election]

While some of the political differences between educated and working-class voters is based on a dispute over hard facts, the much broader and more foundational disagreements are about norms and values. They turn on first principles grounded in the very different intuitions and stories which animate very different political cultures. Such disagreements cannot be explained by the fact that college-educated voters know some facts which non-college educated voters do not. They are about something far more fundamental.


Think about the sets of issues that are often at the core of the identity of the working-class folks who elected Trump: religion, personal liberty’s relationship with government, gender, marriage, sexuality, prenatal life and gun rights. Intuition and stories guide most working-class communities on these issues. With some exceptions, those professorial sorts who form the cultures of our colleges and universities have very different intuition and stories. And the result of this divide has been to produce an educated class with an isolated, insular political culture.and so on...



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there were also a lot of bernie supporters disillusioned by the process this time who either stayed home after the primary or refused to vote for hillary. maybe they didnt vote for trump but they helped make his win possible
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there were also a lot of bernie supporters disillusioned by the process this time who either stayed home after the primary or refused to vote for hillary. maybe they didnt vote for trump but they helped make his win possible
Yep: I heard more than once that we really didn't "have anyone to run" this time, to which I agreed.

Yes: Those that stayed home DID help Trump win.

We in this household voted for Hillary as "the lesser of two evils" but weren't so sure.
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Yep: I heard more than once that we really didn't "have anyone to run" this time, to which I agreed.

Yes: Those that stayed home DID help Trump win.

We in this household voted for Hillary as "the lesser of two evils" but weren't so sure.
us too even my husband who can't stand her because we knew what's going on right now was a possibility.
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it's a bullschitt notion that those who stayed home helped elect trump.
so if clinton would have won would we then be accused of helping elect her?
that's a copout for not convincing enough support for ones own candidate.
the fact is there were plenty on the left and right who stayed home.
because we didn't rally enough primary support for our candidate and lost in the nomination process.
in which case the remaining candidates and their supporters must earn the votes of those who supported another candidate during the primary.
the failure to do so is on them - not the citizen who elected to stay home or the voter who left that part of the ballot blank.
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it's a bullschitt notion that those who stayed home helped elect trump.
so if clinton would have won would we then be accused of helping elect her?
that's a copout for not convincing enough support for ones own candidate.
the fact is there were plenty on the left and right who stayed home.
because we didn't rally enough primary support for our candidate and lost in the nomination process.
in which case the remaining candidates and their supporters must earn the votes of those who supported another candidate during the primary.
the failure to do so is on them - not the citizen who elected to stay home or the voter who left that part of the ballot blank.
Shouldn't you at least use capitalization?
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Shouldn't you at least use capitalization?
nope. it's my nod to e e cummings.

and by the way...salty has two posts in this thread with no capitalization but not a word about it. hhhmmm.

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nope. it's my nod to e e cummings.

and by the way...salty has two posts in this thread with no capitalization but not a word about it. hhhmmm.
to be fair my hands are deformed and hurt a lot but I can understand your posts
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it's a bullschitt notion that those who stayed home helped elect trump.
so if clinton would have won would we then be accused of helping elect her?
that's a copout for not convincing enough support for ones own candidate.
the fact is there were plenty on the left and right who stayed home.
because we didn't rally enough primary support for our candidate and lost in the nomination process.
in which case the remaining candidates and their supporters must earn the votes of those who supported another candidate during the primary.
the failure to do so is on them - not the citizen who elected to stay home or the voter who left that part of the ballot blank.
trumpee-do did not have a majority of voters. yes if not for the split in the democrat party my dog could have beat trump.
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trumpee-do did not have a majority of voters. yes if not for the split in the democrat party my dog could have beat trump.
i'm just saying there are those of us traditionally conservative and/or republican who stayed home on election day as well.
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