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Default AP FACT CHECK: Trump and missions unaccomplished

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WASHINGTON (AP) President Donald Trump has a way of presenting missions as accomplished even when they're not.

So it was when he told Iowans he's put farmers back at their plows, secured a historic increase in military spending and empowered homebuilders to swing their hammers again. Those all remain aspirations, not achievements.

Trump is also known to propose something already in effect, as when he declared "the time has come" for a welfare moratorium for immigrants. President Bill Clinton signed such a moratorium into law in 1996.

A look at a variety of Trump's statements from the public square over the past week:

TRUMP: "We're thinking about building the wall as a solar wall so it creates energy and pays for itself. And this way, Mexico will have to pay much less money. And that's good right? ... Pretty good imagination, right? Good? My idea." in Iowa on Wednesday.

THE FACTS: His idea? Others came forward with such proposals back when he was criticizing solar power as too expensive.

The notion of adding solar panels to the wall he wants to build along the Mexico border was explored in a Wall Street Journal op-ed in March. Vasilis Fthenakis, director of the Center for Life Cycle Analysis at Columbia University, and Ken Zweibel, former director of the Solar Institute at George Washington University, concluded it was "not only technically and economically feasible, it might even be more practical than a traditional wall."

They said a 2,000-mile solar wall could cost less than $1 billion, instead of tens of billions for a traditional border wall, and possibly become "wildly profitable." The writers were studying a concept laid out by Homero Aridjis and James Ramey in the online World Post in December.

The idea also was proposed by one of the companies that submitted its design to the government as a border wall prototype. Las Vegas-based Gleason Partners proposed covering some sections of the wall with solar panels and said that selling electricity from it could eventually cover the cost of construction.

Trump repeatedly described solar power in the campaign as "very, very expensive" and "not working so good."

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TRUMP: "So, we've achieved a historic increase in defense spending." Iowa speech.

THE FACTS: He hasn't. He is proposing a large increase but Congress is still debating and is nowhere near deciding on more money for defense for 2018.

All that's been achieved is a $25 billion increase for this year and there's nothing remotely historic about that. The Pentagon has received annual budget increases equal to or greater than $25 billion seven times in the past 15 years alone.

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TRUMP: "The time has come for new immigration rules which say that those seeking admission into our country must be able to support themselves financially and should not use welfare for a period of at least five years. And we'll be putting in legislation to that effect very shortly." Iowa speech.

THE FACTS: A federal law passed in 1996 already has that effect. It bars most foreigners who enter the country on immigrant visas from being eligible for federal benefits like Social Security and food stamps for the first five years. States typically have the authority to determine eligibility for local programs. As for people in the country illegally, they are generally prohibited from those benefits altogether. Same with foreigners who are in the U.S. on nonimmigrant visas.

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TRUMP: Addressing why he raised the possibility that his Oval Office conversation with fired FBI Director James Comey might have been recorded: "When he found out that I, you know, that there may be tapes out there, whether it's governmental tapes or anything else, and who knows, I think his story may have changed." Fox News interview aired Friday.

THE FACTS: There's no evidence of any change in what Comey testified on June 8 before the Senate Intelligence committee. In that appearance the only time Comey has publicly addressed the subject his story was consistent. He said that on three occasions beginning in January he'd told the president that he was not then the subject of an FBI counterintelligence investigation on him as part of its work to probe Russian influence on the 2016 presidential election.

Since then, it has been reported that Trump is under investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller over his May 9 firing of Comey and whether that or other actions by the president constitute obstruction of justice.

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TRUMP: "You see what we've already done. Homebuilders are starting to build again. We're not confiscating their land with ridiculous rules and regulations that don't make sense." Iowa speech.

THE FACTS: Housing starts as tracked by the Census Bureau have actually fallen over the past three months. Trump seems a bit mixed up on deregulation. Some of the biggest constraints on homebuilders come from local governments, rather than federal rules.

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TRUMP: On cutting regulations to help farmers: "Farmers are able to plow their field. If they have a puddle in the middle of their field, a little puddle the size of this, it's considered a lake and you can't touch it. And if you touch it, bad, bad things happen to you and your family. We got rid of that one, too, OK?" Iowa speech

THE FACTS: He didn't get rid of the regulations he's talking about. He signed an executive order in February directing the Environmental Protection Agency to review a rule protecting clean water. The rule can stop some farmers from using pesticides and herbicides. It's still in place, pending the review.

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TRUMP: "Former Homeland Security Advisor Jeh Johnson is latest top intelligence official to state there was no grand scheme between Trump & Russia." tweet Thursday.

THE FACTS: Johnson did not state that conclusion. He was homeland security secretary (not adviser) from December 2013 to January 2017. He was asked at a House Intelligence committee hearing Wednesday whether he knew of any evidence of collusion with Russia by the Trump campaign.

Johnson said he was not aware of any information beyond what's been reported publicly and what the U.S. intelligence community has gathered. That is not a statement of belief that no collusion took place. Pressed on the matter, he said Comey probably had some information to go on when the FBI opened an investigation into possible collusion.

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TRUMP: "Unemployment is at a 16-year low." Iowa speech.

THE FACTS: Unemployment is indeed that low, at 4.3 percent.

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TRUMP: "We are 5 and 0, as you know, in these special elections. And I think the Democrats thought it would be a lot different than that. 5-0 is a big that's a big margin." Fox News interview aired Friday.

THE FACTS: Wrong score. Right score: 4-1. Republicans won open House seats in Kansas, Georgia, Montana and South Carolina. Democrats held onto a seat in California.

Trump's miscount wasn't a one-time gaffe. It was also a line that roused supporters in his Iowa speech. "So, we're 5 and 0. We're 5 and 0," he said to applause Wednesday night. "Five and 0. Five and 0," he said at another point.

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TRUMP: "Since I was elected, illegal border crossings and this is without the wall, before the wall have decreased by more than 75 percent, a historic and unprecedented achievement." Iowa speech.

THE FACTS: That's overblown, according to government figures about the Mexico border. The decrease in his first four full months in office is about 59 percent, still substantial but not more than 75 percent.

More than 56,600 foreigners have been caught crossing from Mexico illegally between February and May, down from 137,800 people in the same period during President Barack Obama's last year in office.

The number of illegal crossings is not known because some people slip in undetected. Officials consider the number arrested to be representative of the broader trend of attempts to cross illegally.

In bragging that the numbers are down "without the wall," Trump omits the fact that there already are roughly 650 miles of fencing along the nearly 2,000-mile long Mexican border.

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TRUMP: "We're working really hard on massive tax cuts. It would be, if I get it the way I want it, the largest tax cut in the history of the United States of America. Because right now, we are one of the highest-taxed nations in the world. Really on a large-scale basis, we are the highest tax nation in the world. ... And I think it's going to happen." Iowa speech.

THE FACTS: The overall U.S. tax burden is actually one of the lowest among the 32 developed and large emerging-market economies tracked by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Taxes made up 26.4 percent of the total U.S. economy in 2015, according to the OECD. That's far below Denmark's tax burden of 46.6 percent, Britain's 32.5 percent or Germany's 36.9 percent. Just four OECD countries had a lower tax bite than the U.S.: South Korea, Ireland, Chile and Mexico.

It's not clear Trump will sign the largest tax cut in U.S. history. His administration has yet to settle on enough details of any planned overhaul to make that claim. To put the claim in context, President Ronald Reagan essentially cut taxes during his first term by slightly more than 2 percent of the nation's gross domestic product. For Trump to surpass that, his tax cut would essentially have to be more than $400 billion a year.

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TRUMP: "We have Gary Cohn, who's the president of Goldman Sachs. That's somebody. He's the president of Goldman Sachs. He had to pay over $200 million in taxes to take the job, right? ... This is the president of Goldman Sachs, smart. Having him represent us. He went from massive paydays to peanuts. ... But these are people that are great, brilliant business minds. And that's what we need." Iowa speech.

THE FACTS: Trump appears to be confusing taxes paid with stocks sold. Cohn and his family members held about $220 million in Goldman stock, which he had to divest in order to resolve possible conflicts of interest before becoming White House economic adviser. He would have had to pay taxes on any capital gains from the sale, but that sum would only be a fraction of the figure cited by Trump. Moreover, Cohn had to divest the stock in pieces, so the final tally from his sales is unclear, as the stock has declined from highs in March.

It's also worth noting the president's about-face praise for Wall Street. His campaign routinely criticized Goldman Sachs and its ties to Hillary Clinton, even using it as a villain in a political ad that included video of the bank's chairman and CEO.

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TRUMP: "You have a gang called MS-13. ... They do things that nobody can believe. These are true animals. We are moving them out of the country by the thousands, by the thousands. ... We're getting them out, MS-13." Iowa speech.

THE FACTS: There is no publicly available evidence to support this claim about the violent gang. In recent weeks, federal authorities have arrested hundreds of suspected MS-13 gang members. Many of those arrested have been identified by the government as immigrants, but it is unclear if they have yet been deported. Any suspected gang members who are U.S. citizens cannot be kicked out of the country. The gang was formed decades ago in Los Angeles and has spread.

Overall arrests of immigrants in the country illegally have increased in recent months, but deportations have declined slightly, according to the most recently available government data.

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SENATE DEMOCRATIC LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER, on Republican health care legislation: "They want to bring the bill to the floor, rush it in the dark of night, for a simple reason they are ashamed of their bill. They don't want anybody to see it, least of all the public. ... They can't even whisper what it's about they are so, so ashamed of it." Senate speech Tuesday.

THE FACTS: Both parties resort to secrecy in Congress at times, especially when hard-fought legislation is at stake. When Democrats grappled with a conservative uproar over President Barack Obama's health care bill, they held private meetings to iron out details and reach agreements to clinch the legislation's approval. That said, they also held scores of hearings and staged many days of debate in 2009 and 1010. The Senate's Republican leadership has held no hearings on its legislation, the contents of which are unknown. It's unusual for such a major bill to be written from scratch behind closed doors then rushed through Congress in a few days.

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VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: "I like that line that says, you know, the Internal Revenue Code is twice as long as the Bible, with none of the good news." speech Tuesday to manufacturers.

HOUSE SPEAKER PAUL RYAN: "You know, there's this old line about the tax code. Our tax code is about five times as long as the Bible but with none of the good news." speech to the same group Tuesday.

THE FACTS: Ryan has the ratio about right: The tax code runs nearly 4 million words, according to a 2013 government report, while the Bible has 700,000 to about 800,000, depending on the version and variations in translation. Pence understated the difference. Both got laughs.

A number of Republicans over the years have compared the size of the texts to make the point that Americans are under an unholy burden from the IRS.

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Associated Press writers Josh Boak, Alicia A. Caldwell, Jill Colvin and Catherine Lucey contributed to this report.

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Fuq head Democrat obstructionist idiots are the only reason Trump has not gotten more done.

If you idiots would just get out of the way. If not we will run over you anyway.

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You do realize Republicans have all the power? Right? The dems are not in charge of anything, and still the conservobots cant accomplish anything. And somehow I bet that is Obama's fault, or maybe Soros, hell, I cant keep up with the RW fantasy boogie man.
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You do realize Republicans have all the power? Right? The dems are not in charge of anything, and still the conservobots cant accomplish anything. And somehow I bet that is Obama's fault, or maybe Soros, hell, I cant keep up with the RW fantasy boogie man.
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You do realize Republicans have all the power? Right? The dems are not in charge of anything, and still the conservobots cant accomplish anything. And somehow I bet that is Obama's fault, or maybe Soros, hell, I cant keep up with the RW fantasy boogie man.
Do you realize our Government is set up with road blocks for the minority party to check the majority party? Obstruction is part of how our government is set up, if some one really wants to become obstructionist.

Soros is a fixture of your party you will not have an honest conversation about. I have given you plenty of chances but you so far refuse to consider anything to do with your primary benefactor..

Obama was just a stooge who was a side show into la la leftist land. He was nothing, and turned out to be a nothing as well. A well spoken idiot he was.

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I am not a democrat and you are crazy. Just sayin...
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Do you realize our Government is set up with road blocks for the minority party to check the majority party? Obstruction is part of how our government is set up, if some one really wants to become obstructionist.

Soros is a fixture of your party you will not have an honest conversation about. I have given you plenty of chances but you so far refuse to consider anything to do with your primary benefactor..

Obama was just a stooge who was a side show into la la leftist land. He was nothing, and turned out to be a nothing as well. A well spoken idiot he was.

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It's amazing how kirk trashes Obama. The right forgets that the economy was crashing when Obama came in and then we had the longest sustained growth in our history. But kirk has decided to trash Obama in a thread about Trumps BS. kirk can't accept that Trump is ever responsible for his own mouth. It's always other peoples problems. We just showed him factual accounts of Trumps BS and he pretends it never happened or it's time to blame Obama. It's all the right ever has.
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It's amazing how kirk trashes Obama. The right forgets that the economy was crashing when Obama came in and then we had the longest sustained growth in our history. But kirk has decided to trash Obama in a thread about Trumps BS. kirk can't accept that Trump is ever responsible for his own mouth. It's always other peoples problems. We just showed him factual accounts of Trumps BS and he pretends it never happened or it's time to blame Obama. It's all the right ever has.
Obama was a dud.

He harmed our country, and invited in all the Muslims he could.

His growing the economy is bullsh1t. Never hit 3% growth a new record for a president. He gave us the ACA act the most partisan legislation in history, and the worse tax ever. You idiots on the left are socialist. I suggest you move from this country, and go and find your own kind..

Trump is not a politician and doesn't act like one either. But the way he has you in a tizzy all the time is just wonderful, as I know the country has changed directions..

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I am not a democrat and you are crazy. Just sayin...
So your just in denial then?
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